Translation impact of v2 changes

[mgeisler]

Head of main

Looking only at the translations linked in our language picker, I see these numbers right now using main:

pt-BR before: 1597 translated messages, 196 fuzzy translations, 727 untranslated messages.
zh-CN before: 1634 translated messages, 193 fuzzy translations, 693 untranslated messages.
zh-TW before: 1505 translated messages, 137 fuzzy translations, 878 untranslated messages.
ko before: 1968 translated messages, 204 fuzzy translations, 348 untranslated messages.
es before: 2018 translated messages, 112 fuzzy translations, 390 untranslated messages.

This is after updating the translations with the newest strings from main:

MDBOOK_OUTPUT='{"xgettext": {"pot-file": "messages.pot"}}' mdbook build -d po
for lang in pt-BR zh-CN zh-TW ko es; do
    msgmerge --update po/$lang.po po/messages.pot
    echo -n "$lang before: "; msgfmt -o /dev/null --stat po/$lang.po
done

Head of cr2-organization

Updating to 9dcb262 on cr2-organization and running the same commands will show the impact of the branch in terms of messages that have been touched. I get these numbers:

pt-BR after: 1086 translated messages, 351 fuzzy translations, 1148 untranslated messages.
zh-CN after: 1160 translated messages, 320 fuzzy translations, 1105 untranslated messages.
zh-TW after: 1019 translated messages, 281 fuzzy translations, 1285 untranslated messages.
ko after: 1453 translated messages, 377 fuzzy translations, 755 untranslated messages.
es after: 1530 translated messages, 274 fuzzy translations, 781 untranslated messages.

In table form:

Language	Translated before	%	Translated after	%
pt-BR	1597	63%	1086	42%
zh-CN	1634	65%	1160	45%
zh-TW	1505	60%	1019	39%
ko	1968	78%	1453	56%
es	2018	80%	1530	59%

This suggests that the new material touch about 500 messages, or 1/3 of the content.

Using back-dated sources

Now, the above shows the raw delta between main and cr2-organization. The actual impact on the translations will be different: the translations are published using back-dated sources, sources that match the time of the last msgmerge.

The statistics for the translations right now (using back-dated sources) is:

Language	Translated now	%
pt-BR	1762	71%
zh-CN	1658	67%
zh-TW	1644	66%
ko	2175	88%
es	2101	86%

Risks

When we introduced the snapshot publishing system in #1243, we also created a risk that a translation will stay behind forever.

I wonder if translations will chose to not jump past the merge point with cr2-organization?

We can mitigate this by having our internal Localization team work on updating the translations after the merge.

[mgeisler]

cc @henrif75, @djmitche, @kantasv, @deavid, @jiyongp, @victorhsieh, @Phosphorus-M, @nodmp, etc...

[henrif75]

I think using the localization team is the fastest way to have the translations on v2 asap. However, we will need to give a heads up to reviewers to get a fast turnaround.

[mgeisler]

I think using the localization team is the fastest way to have the translations on v2 asap. However, we will need to give a heads up to reviewers to get a fast turnaround.

Yes, I agree! Nothing should break after the merge, but I agree that we should engage with the Localization team to have this translated then.

[mgeisler]

I just ran msgmerge --update on the languages mentioned above and the result is v2-po-files.zip.

I think it would be nice to send these to the Localization team already now. @henrif75, if you split them into days, I would ask the team to translate Day 1 to 3 first. When the PR is merged, you should be able to run mdbook-xgettext to extract the messages again, do another msgmerge --update and send this out for review.

[henrif75]

I just ran msgmerge --update on the languages mentioned above and the result is v2-po-files.zip.

I think it would be nice to send these to the Localization team already now. @henrif75, if you split them into days, I would ask the team to translate Day 1 to 3 first. When the PR is merged, you should be able to run mdbook-xgettext to extract the messages again, do another msgmerge --update and send this out for review.

SG, I'll start preparing the files and send the translation requests.

[Phosphorus-M]

If we want to update the translation, we do a PR into the fork of @djmitche?
I mean an update of the translation using the new branch.

[mgeisler]

If we want to update the translation, we do a PR into the fork of @djmitche? I mean an update of the translation using the new branch.

Hi @Phosphorus-M! Sorry for the slow reply... It's so cool that you're eager to help out 😄 The branch has just been merged, so you can follow the usual procedure for refreshing a translation: mdbook-xgettext followed by msgmerge!

[Phosphorus-M]

If we want to update the translation, we do a PR into the fork of @djmitche? I mean an update of the translation using the new branch.

Hi @Phosphorus-M! Sorry for the slow reply... It's so cool that you're eager to help out 😄 The branch has just been merged, so you can follow the usual procedure for refreshing a translation: mdbook-xgettext followed by msgmerge!

Great! This night I'm going to check the changes and translate the new texts

[henrif75]

I just ran msgmerge --update on the languages mentioned above and the result is v2-po-files.zip.
I think it would be nice to send these to the Localization team already now. @henrif75, if you split them into days, I would ask the team to translate Day 1 to 3 first. When the PR is merged, you should be able to run mdbook-xgettext to extract the messages again, do another msgmerge --update and send this out for review.

SG, I'll start preparing the files and send the translation requests.

@mgeisler Congrats on the v2 launch!
I'll start extracting the .po files and send to the localization team, prioritizing first the "officially" published translations (e.g., KR) - except the Spanish (thanks @Phosphorus-M, I'll wait for your PRs!)

[mgeisler]

Thanks @henrif75, that sounds perfect!

[henrif75]

I've sent the KO (#262 ) translation to the localization team.

[henrif75]

zh-CN (#324) translation sent to localization.

[mgeisler]

Hi @henrif75, would you like to keep this issue open until the published translations are updated, or can we close it now?

[henrif75]

Hi @henrif75, would you like to keep this issue open until the published translations are updated, or can we close it now?

As soon we finish the Japanese translation I can close this issue, thanks.

[mgeisler]

As soon we finish the Japanese translation I can close this issue, thanks.

@henrif75, did we update the translation?

[henrif75]

As soon we finish the Japanese translation I can close this issue, thanks.

@henrif75, did we update the translation?

Oh we did, I'm closing it!

[mgeisler]

Thanks a lot!