[pt] Update README.pt.md #3166

horstmannmat · 2018-11-21T12:18:14Z

Signed-off-by: Matheus Horstmann [email protected]

Xinayder · 2018-11-21T23:42:14Z

I was discussing this on Mastodon and after reading a bit on the i18n issue, I have some feedback:

You switched from se você deseja apoiar to se desejas apoiar
Throughout the text, you use both você and tu
There are some minor mistakes such as using não exite, which should be não hesite
Cada lançamento é assinado [...] e publicadas should be publicado, and a personal suggestion, I think versão instead of lançamento fits better

The way I see it, it looks like if you mixed both pt_PT and pt_BR. It's not bad, but there are a few inconsistencies which made me think that.

EDIT: I was reading the previous issue and I agree with the author of the previous PR that translated the README to portuguese that a portuguese should review the PR as well, to provide feedback on it. Both me and the PR author are from Brazil, which makes it a bit harder to provide "neutral" text for lusophones in general.

Signed-off-by: Matheus Horstmann <[email protected]>

horstmannmat · 2018-11-22T00:43:10Z

We (the other author and me) tried to make as neutral as possible, I agree with you that it should be reviewed by portuguese speakers around the world, not just from Portugal and Brazil.

I fixed grammars errors and also agreed that versão looks better than lançamento

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:23:27Z

Having lived in Brazil and Portugal, I think I qualify as a speaker of both pt_PT and pt_BR. Some thoughts:

It's not worth it, IMO, to hybridize the dialects, this will lead to more confusion that anything.
Brazilian Portuguese docs, including the README, should use você and avoid tu and vós since that is the most common.
Portugal Portuguese docs should use tu and vós and avoid você since the latter is uncommon.
On the current revision, under the section regarding installing Sway, I think Por ... is better than A partir de ...

Thanks for putting the work in the translation, and let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Cheers!

lovesegfault

Looks good! Some minor nits

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:24:02Z

README.pt.md


 ## Ajuda em português

-No momento, o suporte em português no canal do IRC **não está ativo**. Em caso de problemas,
-use as [*issues*](https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/) do Github (*em inglês*).
+No momento, o suporte em português no canal no IRC **não está ativo**.


I think the second no is redundant, canal IRC should suffice,

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:25:16Z

README.pt.md


-## Assinaturas dos *Releases*
+## Assinaturas dos lançamentos


I don't think lançamentos is usual terminology. If anything I'd stick with the anglicized Releases.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:25:57Z

README.pt.md

-[B22DA89A](http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x52CB6609B22DA89A)
-e publicadas [no GitHub](https://github.com/swaywm/sway/releases).
+Cada versão é assinada com a chave [B22DA89A][sway pgp] e publicada
+[no Github][sway releases].

 ## Instalação

 ### A partir de pacotes


I think Por is better than A partir de for this and subsequent subsections.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:26:29Z

README.pt.md


-Se você está interessado em manter um pacote do Sway para a sua distribuição,
-visite o canal no IRC ou mande um email para [email protected] (*em inglês*).
+Se estiveres interessado em manter um pacote em sua distribuição, visite o


você estiver

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:26:48Z

README.pt.md

-Se você está interessado em manter um pacote do Sway para a sua distribuição,
-visite o canal no IRC ou mande um email para [email protected] (*em inglês*).
+Se estiveres interessado em manter um pacote em sua distribuição, visite o
+canal no IRC ou mande um e-mail para <[email protected]> (*em inglês*).


Add a link to the IRC channel.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:28:46Z

README.pt.md

-o Sway lerá o arquivo normalmente. Senão, copie o arquivo de configuração de exemplo
-para `~/.config/sway/config`. É comum esse arquivo estar localizado em
-`/etc/sway/config`. Veja `man 5 sway` para informações sobre configuração.
+Se já usas i3, copie teu arquivo de configuração para `~/.config/sway/config`


Se você já usa i3, copie sua configuração para ...

I think configuração already strongly implies that it's an arquivo so it becomes redundant.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:29:51Z

README.pt.md

-para `~/.config/sway/config`. É comum esse arquivo estar localizado em
-`/etc/sway/config`. Veja `man 5 sway` para informações sobre configuração.
+Se já usas i3, copie teu arquivo de configuração para `~/.config/sway/config`
+e Sway lerá o arquivo normalmente.  Senão, copie o arquivo de configuração


I think usará is better than lerá here.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:30:18Z

README.pt.md

-para `~/.config/sway/config`. É comum esse arquivo estar localizado em
-`/etc/sway/config`. Veja `man 5 sway` para informações sobre configuração.
+Se já usas i3, copie teu arquivo de configuração para `~/.config/sway/config`
+e Sway lerá o arquivo normalmente.  Senão, copie o arquivo de configuração


I believe the correct form is Se não, no?

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:30:59Z

README.pt.md

-`/etc/sway/config`. Veja `man 5 sway` para informações sobre configuração.
+Se já usas i3, copie teu arquivo de configuração para `~/.config/sway/config`
+e Sway lerá o arquivo normalmente.  Senão, copie o arquivo de configuração
+de exemplo para `~/.config/sway/config`. É comum esse arquivo estar localizado


arquivo de configuração exemplo, the de seems unnecessary.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:32:01Z

README.pt.md

-relatos, o gdm funciona bem com o Sway).
-
+Execute `sway` a partir do console. Alguns gerenciadores de *display* podem
+funcionar, porém não são oficialmente suportados (segundo relatos, gdm


Maybe link to gdm.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T03:34:09Z

Just an addendum after having review the file, this is through and through a Brazilian Portuguese doc, if someone wishes to add a Portugal Portuguese README it should have some changes.

horstmannmat · 2018-11-27T10:37:16Z

Having lived in Brazil and Portugal, I think I qualify as a speaker of both pt_PT and pt_BR. Some thoughts:
1. It's not worth it, IMO, to hybridize the dialects, this will lead to more confusion that anything.

As I said in Mastodon European Portuguese is understandable by Brazilians, and vice-versa. And translate for both at same time could sound strange.

lovesegfault · 2018-11-27T11:13:21Z

translate for both at same time could sound strange.

Yes, that's what I said, translating to both at the same time would sound strange.

European Portuguese is understandable by Brazilians, and vice-versa.

Sure, this is mostly true with some minor exceptions. This doesn't, however, negate the fact that the dialects are different enough that it can feel uncomfortable for a native speaker of one to read a document in the other, specially a technical one.

I think we are fine with just a Brazilian Portuguese document, at least until until someone steps up to support an European Portuguese one, and then we could maybe just have both, not that the differences matter too much.

Xinayder · 2018-11-27T11:19:12Z

If the agreement is to translate it to Brazilian Portuguese, I think the file should be renamed to suit it better.

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 09:13 Bernardo Meurer ***@***.*** wrote: translate for both at same time could sound strange. Yes, that's what I said, translating to both at the same time would sound strange. European Portuguese is understandable by Brazilians, and vice-versa. Sure, this is mostly true with some minor exceptions. This doesn't, however, negate the fact that the dialects are different enough that it can feel uncomfortable for a native speaker of one to read a document in the other, specially a technical one. I think we are fine with just a Brazilian Portuguese document, at least until until someone steps up to support an European Portuguese one, and then we could maybe just have both, not that the differences matter too much. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3166 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABMW-6k2UWNxYghg7W4PLM2ki1nB512Xks5uzR5YgaJpZM4YtATC> .

ddevault · 2020-01-21T14:32:45Z

There's another attempt here: #4931

Advertize dependency on git

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		## Assinaturas dos Releases
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