Does this caravan area have a sanitary_dump_station ?

[petitminion]

This is a proposition to tag objects tagged with this tag : caravan_site

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: sanitary_dump_station
Question asked: Does this caravan area have a sanitary_dump_station?
response : yes/no/custumors

same could be done for theses tags :

• water_point
• power_supply

Checklist

Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

• [ x ] 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
• [ x ] 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
• [ x ] 🐿️ Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary
• [ x ] 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)
• [ x ] 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)

Ideas for implementation

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[mnalis]

• (ref: Does this caravan area have a .. ?  #5206)

[mnalis]

@petitminion Although, it would probably be a better idea to open a separate issue for each of the quests requested (IOW, keep it one-quest-per-issue). i.e. keep this one exclusively about sanitary_dump_station, and create two new issues for other two quests.

Because implementing one of them would likely close the whole issue (as seen #5206), and even if doesn't, it will make discussing several different quests in the same issue hard to follow.

[rhhsm]

I don't think it fulfils "Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary": I wouldn't know how to look for one. Are they visible from the outside (outside the area, if it is not publicly accessible)?

[mnalis]

perhaps override val defaultDisabledMessage = R.string.default_disabled_msg_go_inside like we have for other quests that require entering the shop/restaurant?

If I understand correctly linked issue (and judging from the picture at tourism=caravan_site, the caravans are prevented by entering by having to pay for barrier=lift_gate or similar to allow the vehicle in, but pedestrians can roam around?

[petitminion]

yes pedestrians can easily access a caravan_site :)

Also most of the time there is a sign indicating if the service is present :

• french sign : https://www.techni-contact.com/ressources/images/produits/zoom/panneau-station-de-vidange-pour-camping-car-ce24-12231473-1.jpg
• US, english ? https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/rv-camper-motor-home-sewage-dump-station-netherlands-177670508.jpg

Sadly I didn't find any open source image to add to the wiki but I will do it when I find a panel on the road o/

We could add the 4 photos to the quest so people understand:

• The sign
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pamplona_sanitary_dump.jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karlslunde_%C3%B8st_sanitary_dump_grey.jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dumping-RV-Waste-Tanks.jpg

[qugebert]

If I understand correctly linked issue (and judging from the picture at tourism=caravan_site, the caravans are prevented by entering by having to pay for barrier=lift_gate or similar to allow the vehicle in, but pedestrians can roam around?

I only know a few of them, but yes, its mostly just some seperate parking space on a normal parking site with some additional equipment (dump station etc,). And we ask for various things on camping sites too, these are more likely not accessible for non-customers.

I can do the implementation if it is okay (and if someone can provide a icon with compatible license)

[mcliquid]

I've added two images to wikimedia if this helps:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sanitary_dumb_station-platja-brava.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sanitary-dump-station-sign.jpg

[qugebert]

So here is my draft.
I took the description from the wiki, is this ok or are there any suggestions for another text?
And are these two pictures enough? Isn't the quest form too high if we add another row?
Is green the correct color for the marker (amenities) or should it be yellow (motor vehicles) ?

[rhhsm]

Looks good, including the quest pin. I'm glad you didn't use the word "caravan" because that would confuse me (and probably many others).
The sentence could be shortened a bit, maybe "Facility for depositing human waste from a toilet holding tank of a motorhome, long haul truck, etc. Might look like this:"

[qugebert]

@petitminion @mcliquid see #5363 (comment)
any ideas?

[mcliquid]

@qugebert From my experience, at least in Europe, two signs (which look very similar) are common. I have vectorized the more common one myself:

And one alternative with the white circle:

Source for the RV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zusatzzeichen_1048-17_-_nur_Wohnmobile,_StVO_1992.svg
The rest was arranged by me from the sign you can find if you google "verkehrszeichen wohnmobil entsorgung".

If you like, I can finalize the sign and make it available to you as an SVG.

[qugebert]

Also ich habe jetzt nochmal bisschen gegoogelt und im Grunde sehen die Schilder alle recht ähnlich aus. Entweder Wohnmobil oder -anhänger über einer Mulde und dazu der Pfeil. Hintergrund blau oder braun, ggf. horizontal gespiegelt. Ich hab's auch mit Google translate versucht für verschiedene Sprachen (russisch, türkisch, etc.) und das Ergebnis in die Bildersuche gepackt, da kam leider nichts brauchbares raus. Ich weiss nicht wirklich wie ich das mit der Illustration jetzt machen sollte.

[mcliquid]

Quick research on wikidata
Wikidata-Item
Check out the signs here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Effluent_waste_disposal_signs

Some international synonyms:
English naming: black water / wastewater disposal / tank dump station
German naming: Abwasser / Grauwasser / Toilettenentsorgung
French naming: Eaux noires / Eaux usées / station de vidange
Italian naming: Acque nere / Acque di scarico / camping service
Spanish naming: Aguas negras / Aguas grises /
Dutch naming: Zwart water / Grijs water

Icons on other platforms:
park4night.com (one of the biggest RV platforms, comparable to AirBnb):

See in full size:
https://cdn6.park4night.com/images/svg/icons/services/service_eau_usee.svg
https://cdn6.park4night.com/images/svg/icons/services/service_eau_noire.svg

opencampingmap: only a arrow down in a rectangle

After the little research I would either go with my first suggestion (motorhome on water waves). Or the toilet on water waves like at park4night. I can create a simple icon for you if you want to.

[qugebert]

I can create a simple icon for you if you want to.

Sure, this would help a lot.

[mcliquid]

I've uploaded two variants here:
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/assets/3351668/b9378d51-bbc7-4964-a58a-e288b94f9bc9
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/assets/3351668/ccbd3938-7c4c-4835-8f1b-9d17f4dd233a
The RV icon used is "Public Domain License", the rest is my own work (CC BY 4.0).