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Add read permissions for apm_user role to APM fleet indices #68749

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Related: elastic/kibana#87501

Permissions to apm_user
Starting in 7.12 APM Server will be available under fleet. In this mode data will no longer be ingested to apm-* indices but to logs-apm*, metrics-apm*, traces-apm*.

This PR ensures that users upgrading to APM Server under fleet can still access APM data.

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In Kibana there is a background task that collects telemetry. We want ensure that this background task can access APM indices and upload telemetry based on this.

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# run tests
./gradlew :x-pack:plugin:core:test --tests 'org.elasticsearch.xpack.core.security.authz.store.*'

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jenkins test this please

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kobelb commented Feb 16, 2021

There are some risks to this PR, even though it only changes the end-user's apm_user role to have access to the logs-apm*, metrics-apm* and traces-apm* indices. If users happen to be using these indices for different purposes than we anticipate, we would be granting users with the apm_user role privileges that they shouldn't have. For example, a user might be using the traces-apma index to trace something for https://www.apma.org/.

Do we need this change to go into 7.12? Is it possible to delay it until 8.0?

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Do we need this change to go into 7.12? Is it possible to delay it until 8.0?

Unfortunately, APM Server will be released under Fleet as experimental in 7.12 and GA (ish) in 7.13. So waiting until 8.0 is not possible afaict.
We could wait until 7.13 but I don't think that'll give us anything.

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@kobelb Discussing this with people on the fleet side I was made aware that the indices I added (logs-apm*, metrics-apm*, traces-apm*) are already "reserved" to elastic data streams, and using them for other purposes is recommended against. There's obviously still a risk that users might be using those but I think it's less likely.

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I understand @kobelb concerns about security implications for this change, but on the other side the user experience would be very impacted if they will move to the new approach and a user with a role called apm_user will not be able to be a user of APM anymore.

This is probably a problem we have to face in the near future when we'll introduce predefined roles and Solutions may need to modify their index permissions in a minor, for example because of a new feature.

I'm wondering if we can mitigate the security risk, for example using logs-apm.* (or whatever is the less greedy pattern that identifies the new APM indices) instead of logs-apm*. The more we make it specific, the more we avoid conflicts.

Another option could be to send warnings (or even prevent upgrades) if you have indices that match the pattern and are not "because of APM". Not sure how we can make them visible enough, but it could be a compromise.

If you already have the conflict with existing indices, I suppose it would be a wider problem as Fleet installs templates and will start ingesting data to those indices regardless of the permissions of apm_user.

What do you think?

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kobelb commented Mar 18, 2021

@kobelb Discussing this with people on the fleet side I was made aware that the indices I added (logs-apm*, metrics-apm*, traces-apm*) are already "reserved" to elastic data streams, and using them for other purposes is recommended against. There's obviously still a risk that users might be using those but I think it's less likely.

Can you or the fleet people elaborate on this? The only official documentation that I've found about the logs-*-*, metrics-*-* and traces-*-* indices have been the detailed 7.9.0 breaking changes they aren't even mentioned in the 7.9.0 release note's breaking changes. This breaking change specifies that the index templates are created for use by the Elastic Agent, but it doesn't go into the details about how these indices will be used. Are all logs-*-*, metrics-*-* and traces-*-* now officially reserved for the Elastic Agent to use however they see fit? Is this documented anywhere?

Additionally, the creation of these index-templates has caused issues for customers and they can currently be disabled. This confirms my suspicion that actual users are using these indices for purposes other than how we anticipated. Even if the user has turned off the stack installed index templates, we're still going to be changing the definition of the apm_user role to now have access to these indices.

I understand @kobelb concerns about security implications for this change, but on the other side the user experience would be very impacted if they will move to the new approach and a user with a role called apm_user will not be able to be a user of APM anymore.

Agreed. That's why I was originally asking the reasoning for making this change in 7.x and whether we could wait until 8.0. Otherwise, I think we need to be honest with ourselves and our users and document this as a new breaking change that has security implications.

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Are all logs--, metrics-- and traces-- now officially reserved for the Elastic Agent to use however they see fit? Is this documented anywhere?

This is my understanding but I will track this down.

Otherwise, I think we need to be honest with ourselves and our users and document this as a new breaking change that has security implications.

Agree that this change should be communicated clearly.

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@kobelb The datastreams are mentioned here: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/7.11/set-up-a-data-stream.html#create-a-data-stream-template

I don't know if that's enough. We don't clearly state that they are reserved and should not be used for custom purposes.

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kobelb commented Mar 25, 2021

@sqren and I had a quick synchronous chat about this, please keep me honest on the following.

Given the fact that the APM team planned to deprecate the apm_user role in the near future, we decided to do the following:

  • grant the apm_user role additional privileges to read from the logs-apm*, metrics-apm*, traces-apm* indices
  • document the increased privileges as a breaking change, so users are aware of the ramifications
  • deprecate the apm_user

Long-term, we should figure out what changes are necessary to allow people to more easily only grant users to access to APM. This required further thought about how it'd work with the new indexing strategy.

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jenkins test this please

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cauemarcondes added a commit to elastic/kibana that referenced this pull request Nov 20, 2024
…#200163)

Related to: elastic/elasticsearch#116712

Meta issue: #116760
The apm_user role was
elastic/elasticsearch#68749 in 7.13 and was
supposed to be removed in 8.0.
All mentions of apm_user role were finally removed in
#132790.

This PR adds some deprecation steps for users are using the `apm_user`.

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paulinashakirova pushed a commit to paulinashakirova/kibana that referenced this pull request Nov 26, 2024
…elastic#200163)

Related to: elastic/elasticsearch#116712

Meta issue: elastic#116760
The apm_user role was
elastic/elasticsearch#68749 in 7.13 and was
supposed to be removed in 8.0.
All mentions of apm_user role were finally removed in
elastic#132790.

This PR adds some deprecation steps for users are using the `apm_user`.

<img width="494" alt="Screenshot 2024-11-18 at 14 10 08"
src="https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/e04fff63-b56e-4a74-93ad-a87884f9a8a6">
<img width="1128" alt="Screenshot 2024-11-18 at 14 10 18"
src="https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/de67afcf-8bd5-4896-815a-4e1adc730681">

<img width="1241" alt="Screenshot 2024-11-14 at 13 12 01"
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CAWilson94 pushed a commit to CAWilson94/kibana that referenced this pull request Dec 12, 2024
…elastic#200163)

Related to: elastic/elasticsearch#116712

Meta issue: elastic#116760
The apm_user role was
elastic/elasticsearch#68749 in 7.13 and was
supposed to be removed in 8.0.
All mentions of apm_user role were finally removed in
elastic#132790.

This PR adds some deprecation steps for users are using the `apm_user`.

<img width="494" alt="Screenshot 2024-11-18 at 14 10 08"
src="https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/e04fff63-b56e-4a74-93ad-a87884f9a8a6">
<img width="1128" alt="Screenshot 2024-11-18 at 14 10 18"
src="https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/de67afcf-8bd5-4896-815a-4e1adc730681">

<img width="1241" alt="Screenshot 2024-11-14 at 13 12 01"
src="https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/e94b0367-b459-45b4-923e-1de7a095b6b8">
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