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Change: Increase USA unit armor bonus of HOLD THE LINE Battle Plan from 11.1% to 20.0% #1554
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On top of that, we do have proposed change for reduction of AFG Comanche Armor And we do have discussion about decreasing effectiveness of Point Defense Laser (PDL).
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Wow I didn't know HTL applied to aircraft, that sounds very OP with Commies. Possible to remove Aircraft? |
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I always believed the Strat switch thing made it impossible to apply this stuff to aircraft, but that logic doesn't stand anymore. |
Sounds good, now are we going to revert the double composite armor for crusader and paladin to compensate? Think they'll be insane with all that armor combined |
Selecting more Armor means less Damage and Range. +20% Damage and +20% Range are good perks too. It is questionable that +20% Armor is superior. |
It's gonna be too much with Commies, but I guess AFG's Counter Measures nerf makes up for that? But that change on it's own needs to be discussed more and tested. |
All else equal, I don't really care about hold the line if search and destroy stays at 20%. It effectively makes your units invulnerable in many situations which beats any amount of armour bonus. And all else equal (e.g. no nerf to countermeasures), this is a major buff for afg. S&D could have a 10% range bonus and this would still make it the best choice, just the micro would have to be one level better than brain dead. |
After thinking more about it I'm actually quite fond of the idea of combining the HTL buff with the CM nerf, when they cancel each other out pretty much. It means the nerf only applies early game/pre-tech, giving the enemy a slightly easier time to secure himself before the Commies become OP like usual. |
If aircraft are somehow gaining battle plan bonuses then it is a bug. Aircraft do not gain any battle plan bonuses in 1.04.
How did you get those test results? If a Raptor is dying in 10 shots then something is wrong. A Raptor (160 health) dies to 12 Gattling shots (12 × 12 damage × 120%). I sanity checked this in-game as well. |
I tested on !TestAllFactions in Skirmish. With USA and China units. By friendly fire on self player units. https://github.com/TheSuperHackers/GeneralsGamePatch/tree/main/Maps/Any/!TestAllFactions |
Do you happen to have the replay? |
I can make one later. This behaviour is 100%. |
I spotted error in my test. I tested with BOMBARDMENT against HOLD THE LINE by mistake, not realizing it does apply damage bonus to the Gatling Tank. I have corrected all mistakes above accordingly. |
Then its a safe change |
Yes, this change should be safe change. Should probably add core perk descriptions to tool tips in follow up change. |
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Localization updated. |
Merge #1559 before this one. |
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Texts updated. Looks good. |
I still would like to know the exact performance in the field, there might still be a difference between BB and HTL. I predict BB still performs slightly better, but this is actually a good thing because HTL would be preferred if the field performance is the same, since the Structure Armor boost is probably more valuable than the Cannon. |
This change increases the USA unit armor bonus of HOLD THE LINE Battle Plan from 11.1% to 20.0%. Armor bonus is synonymous for damage resistance.
Infantry, vehicles
and planesbenefit from armor bonus. Combat samples:HOLD THE LINE
applies armor bonus to all units, whereasBOMBARDMENT and SEARCH AND DESTROY apply damage and range bonus to infantry and vehicles only.All Battle Plan perks in a nutshell:
BOMBARDMENT
SEARCH AND DESTROY
HOLD THE LINE
Rationale
This change makes the use of the HOLD THE LINE Battle Plan more attractive for all USA factions.
It is especially attractive for USA strategies that involve planes, such as spamming Comanche, Aurora and Raptor.Traditionally USA favors the SEARCH AND DESTROY Battle Plan above the others by a large margin.