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Seeking guidance on 1.4.4 browser zoom, text size zoom etc #2169
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the SC is silent about how users go about resizing text. in essence it demands that there be at least one way for users who need larger text to achieve this. no specifics about which methods a site must support. so yes, if the site works well with full-page zoom (even if it leads to bidirectional scrolling), then it's a pass - regardless of whether or not doing an explicit text-only resize on that same site would lead to problems. as long as one method works, it's a pass. |
You might find the note in Failure of Success Criterion 1.4.4 when resizing visually rendered text up to 200 percent causes the text, image or controls to be clipped, truncated or obscured useful:
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@jamesjacobs — please do reply back to this issue thread if you are satisfied with @patrickhlauke response (or explain what more you might be hoping for). For better or worse, it is a pretty lightweight requirement. |
Thanks for the confirmation all, that's really helpful. There seems to be so many conflicting opinions on this on the web, which resulted in our confusion. Thanks again. Will close the ticket down. |
The SC doesn't say that anywhere. The Understanding page is, as usual, clear as mud. ;-)
Furthermore, the intent is the most important part here:
If someone uses text resize in Firefox and a website becomes inaccessible to them because important text is cut off, would you tell them they're just using "the wrong method" and they need to adapt to use browser zoom instead? I would fail issues with text resize and not just browser zoom because it can make things quite inaccessible to real people. |
Yes. Understanding:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/failures/F94: Use any of the following methods to resize text when available:
Check that the text resizes by one of the methods above, and can be resized to at least 200% of the default. https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/failures/F69: The Working Group has discovered many misunderstandings about how to test this failure. We are planning to revise this failure in a future update. Until then, if the content passes the success criterion using any of the listed sufficient techniques, then it does not meet this failure. |
Harsh. If something has overlapping and unreadable text when using browser zoom in Chrome but it works with text increase in Firefox, according to @patrickhlauke that would be a pass as there needs to be only "at least one way" to successfully make the text bigger. @JAWS-test, if I interpret what you wrote correctly, that would be a fail for you? |
@selfthinker I do not disagree with @patrickhlauke . I was just noting that only one method of font resizing needs to work, not all methods. I.e. if one method doesn't work, you just used the wrong one and should try the others. Whether I find this good or bad is not the question at all, but so it is specified in the Understanding and the techniques cited by me. However, I am skeptical whether the failure of zooming with all individual methods in a browser means that 1.4.4 is fulfilled, because you can use another browser. At least the commonly used browsers should support all font resizing, otherwise I would not consider 1.4.4 fulfilled. |
I understand this text has been added but not into the main understanding document. It was my understanding that techniques/failures are informative and not normative in WCAG. Is there a reason why this hasn't been made part of the actual SC - and therefore clearing up the perceived misunderstanding? It is still there only as a note in WCAG 2.2 without being formally incorporated. |
That is correct. They are also widely regarded as authoritative and the AGWG treats them seriously with all due deliberation.
Yes, because the phrasing of SC 1.4.4 is okay. Also, with 2.1, I would note that we now have SC 1.4.10 Reflow which goes further.
Yes, that is also correct. While the AGWG has acknowledged that there are misunderstandings, we have not figured out what prose is needed to provide sufficient clarification. Suggestions for edits to F69 (or to Understanding, or for new Techniques) are welcome! |
Relates to #2169 and questions about whether a site that break using "text-only" resizing fails, even if zooming works
…isual Presentation (#2270) Relates to #2169 and questions about whether a site that break using "text-only" resizing fails, even if zooming works --------- Co-authored-by: Mike Gower <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Alastair Campbell <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Kenneth G. Franqueiro <[email protected]>
After reading through 1.4.4 Resize text many times and also issues raised here relating to it I'm still not 100% convinced I've understood the requirements correctly. Hoping someone can illuminate me 😄
Put simply, if a site displays correctly and doesn't cut off, clip, truncate or obscure text when the page is zoomed in browser (for example, by hitting CMD/CTRL + in Chrome to zoom the whole page) and doesn't prevent scaling or pinch and zoom on mobile - is that a pass?
Or should a user be able to zoom/increase only text (for example, via methods such as FireFox text-only zoom or iOS Safari text zoom using the AA text sizing button)? If that results in text being cut off etc when a full page zoom displays correctly - is that a fail of 1.4.4?
Thanks in advance
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