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Should the process allow REC->WD transition directly? #103

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dbaron opened this issue Sep 21, 2017 · 11 comments
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Should the process allow REC->WD transition directly? #103

dbaron opened this issue Sep 21, 2017 · 11 comments
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dbaron commented Sep 21, 2017

This is a followup to the third of the issues in #95, and is perhaps a bit more subtle than the rest.

The process currently allows transitions from REC to CR in order to develop an edited or amended recommendation. It also then allows transitions from CR to WD for further work.

But the process does not allow directly transitioning from REC to WD.

It seems to me that either:

  1. the process should allow transitioning directly from REC to WD as part of the process of developing an Edited or Amended Recommendation (I can imagine a WG wanting to publish a WD as part of developing an Edited Recommendation because they think a document isn't quite ready for CR), or
  2. the transition from CR to WD should be disallowed for CRs that are part of the development of an Edited or Amended Recommendation, on the theory that the process of developing an Edited/Amended Recommendation always keeps the document at CR or higher.

Otherwise it seems odd to allow the WD state as part of the process of developing an Edited/Amended Recommendation, but disallow starting the process with that state.

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I love completeness checking. I think the second option is probably the one that matches expectations, but I wonder whether such abstrusities need to be clear (now)?

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dbaron commented Sep 21, 2017

Yeah, this issue probably isn't high priority, although it's also entirely possible a working group will bring it up.

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swickr commented Oct 13, 2017

Perhaps #110 would resolve this

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#110 is about confusion about whether an amended rec IS a candidate rec or merely follows the same progression path...why does it help avoiding a bounce through CR on the way from Rec to WD?

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dwsinger commented Nov 2, 2017

deferred to next year

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leaving hanging until someone thinks it's a problem

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chaals commented Nov 29, 2018

We should look at dealing with versioned specs in the Process, which might lead to a simplified path from REC vN -> FPWD vN+1 or CR vN -> FPWD vN+1 (without requiring any given numbering scheme).

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dwsinger commented May 3, 2021

I think we need a comprehensive review of document progression and charter management. The process and patent policy were written with a mindset that a WG develops a single Rec. within a single charter period and finishes it and closes, walking away. None of those a true. This is an example of a maintenance gap, but I bet there are others.

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I think we need a comprehensive review of document progression and charter management. The process and patent policy were written with a mindset that a WG develops a single Rec. within a single charter period and finishes it and closes, walking away. None of those a true. This is an example of a maintenance gap, but I bet there are others.

Pointer to the summary of the last time we looked at similar issues --> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2016AprJun/0176.html

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still hanging...not an operational problem as far as we know…

frivoal added a commit to frivoal/w3process that referenced this issue Aug 12, 2021
It was already possible to go from REC to CR, and from CR to WD, but
a strict reading made it look like going from REC to WD was not
possible, which would be odd.

See w3c#103
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It was already possible to go from REC to CR, and from CR to WD, but
a strict reading made it look like going from REC to WD was not
possible, which would be odd.

See #103
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frivoal commented Sep 22, 2021

This has now been resolved by #562. @dbaron, Sorry for the incredibly long wait.

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