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Split Italy parser #1029
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@Raffox97 Power flows between the zones exist, the only problem are the installed generation capacities by type, which are not filled on ENTSO-E if you look at the bidding zones. These only exist for Italy as a whole there. Finding out how much is installed in what zone will be really tough. As far as I remember, the Italian system operator TERNA was summarizing the fossil types as "thermal" without splitting it to gas and coal. |
Hey guys! Great idea. I personally think that capacity installed is of much less importance than real time data (an can often be found later on), so if you wish to split italy in big regions and if the real data time data is robust, feel free to go! But we'll need to make sure that real time data is at least as good as Italy as a whole! Thanks! |
Perfect, unluckly I can't find a good site where to see the division, but the hope is the last to die, so if there are any news, I'll post it in this issue. |
Have you looked at ENTSOE? I know they do the breakdown. The question whether or not the data is accurate/complete enough: |
What about dash lines to divide regions? |
Here are the steps to move forward:
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Italy with all these exchanges and seperate zones will look beautiful once this split is done! I had a look at the data and here are the encouraging results:
Here is a geographical breakdown:
Use these links as support with the map above: ENTSO-E map These first four are equal to the exchanges from IT to the northern neighbours as of now.
I suggest including the generation of the small bidding zones IT-FO, IT-BR, IT-RO in IT-SO. Else, some of the small areas surrounding these cities could be seperated, but from my point this is unnecessary.
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Breakdown of the "region" and "region_cod" attributes in Natural Earth to the zones for geometries: Italy North IT-NO: Italy Central North IT-CNO: Italy Central South IT-CSO: Italy South IT-SO Italy-Sicily IT-SIC Italy-Sardinia IT-SAR |
As mentioned by @tmslaine on https://github.com/tmrowco/electricitymap/issues/917
Any roadblocks for getting started? |
@corradio First off, we have to decide whether to include the "micro-bidding zones" in the larger ones or not. Usually, they just contain a larger generator that is operating under output restrictions due to the grid or sth like that. So from my point of view, they can be aggregated with their larger surrounding zone without problems. Administrative regions are a bit too large for each of these zones. I think the exchanges represent the total exchange between the larger bidding zones (not just from one substation to another, but the sum/balance of all exchanges - this got me confused/worried a bit earlier), so we're also good to go here.
Feel free to edit this list directly if something is missing. |
See my pull request: |
Copying out my message from Slack for the record. Steps to ideally create new geometries would be:
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I would like to further work on it, but I've got some problems with my local electricitymap instance. When doing this pull request, I've had not yet been able to run it locally. Now docker works for me, but the colors are wrong and Japan is missing, despite I've just cloned from git. |
Hi @chazanov,
It makes sense that the colors are wrong (we use fake data locally). Japan
is missing because this PR is behind master. Don't worry about it, it will
be fixed once merged.
I suggest you sync up with @antifa-ev on Slack (slack.tmrow.com) to make
sure there's no double work.
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Now docker works for me, but the colors are wrong and Japan is missing,
despite I've just cloned from git.
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@alixunderplatz I need help on making the mapping between ENTSOE bidding zones and the zones that you defined. Can you help? |
@corradio sure! :) IT-NO" includes ENTSO-E zone "BZN|IT-North" "IT-CNO" includes ENTSO-E zone "BZN|IT-Centre-North" "IT-CSO" includes ENTSO-E zone "BZN|IT-Centre-South" "IT-SO" includes the sum of ENTSO-E zones "BZN|IT-South", "BZN|IT-Brindisi", "BZN|IT-Foggia", "BZN|IT-Rossano" "IT-SAR" includes ENTSO-E zone "BZN|IT-Sardinia" "IT-SIC"includes the sum of ENTSO-E zones "BZN|IT-Sicily" and "BZN|IT-Priolo" I hope this helps :) Reach out if something is unclear with the national power flows between these zones |
@alixunderplatz thanks! And what is the reason for not keeping a 1:1 mapping between our zones and ENTSOE BZNs for SIC and SO? |
@corradio We include these "micro bidding zones", which consist of a power plant feeding in to one node in the grid, in the surrounding larger bidding zones. |
very clear thanks. |
Should be online in a bit. The only thing missing now is SACODC/AC. |
I totally forgot about generation capacities for the new regions. https://www.terna.it/en-gb/sistemaelettrico/fontirinnovabili.aspx ENTSO-E only has capacities for the entire country, which seem to randomly jump up and down in some categories every year (compare oil / other / hard coal for the last years): But there is a breakdown per generation unit per bidding zone, which we could check and use if it is complete: |
Here we still need to figure out how to deal with the complex exchange structrure between Italy Central North <-> Corsica / Sardinia <-> Italy Central South zones. |
@alixunderplatz would you have time to help a bit here? |
@corradio I'll look into this from 3rd October onwards ;) |
By the way: the interconnector between Italy/Italy south and Greece still isn't working on the map |
The underlying ENTSOE physical flow data is from here. The Excel-sheet with my calculations and the graphs from above is attached here: These interconnectors on ENTSOE are required: Basically, the following stuff is the logic behind the calculations. The "else = 0" logic is only used in my "unidirectional" data table in the excel sheet and could be dismissed when coding. Actually, behind "else" the code for the opposite direction of the respective flow should follow (with a negative value as a result to flip the direction on the map)... IT-CNO exports to IT-SAR
IT-CNO exports to FR-COR
IT-SAR exports via SACODC to FR-COR
FR-COR exports (via SACODC) to IT-SAR (never happens?!)
IT-SAR exports to IT-CNO
FR-COR exports to IT-CNO (never happens?!)
Direction of IT-SAR <-> FR-COR exchange with via AC- and DC cables (total balance)
I hope I haven't messed things up. Couldn't find a way to describe it easier, so please forgive me^^ |
Looks pretty accurate to me. Is there something missing ? |
@alixunderplatz is there any concrete action items we can do to close this one off? |
@corradio I think my comments from 3rd October 2019 contain what needs to be done in the code. The following three arrows/exchanges must be added to the map: N/As in the ENTSOE-data kind of indicate when the DC-interconnector is out of service, so only the AC-flow between SAR and COR ("SACOAC") will continue in that case. |
@alixunderplatz |
Closing in favour of #2991 |
If you look on the ENTSOE site, Italy is split in big regions: the north, the centre-north, the centre-south, the south and the islands. It could be a good idea to have that split also here on the map.
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