Non permanent objects: exception to "Survey if places still exist" question

[Kalepom]

Hello,

That's not really a bug, but nor a new question suggestion. I hope I'm not posting in the wrong place.

The "Survey if places still exist" quest should make an exception on items with the permanent=no tag.
I'm thinking in particular of election boards (advertising=board message=political permanent=no) which are not permanently present. By answering the question "Is this object still here?", a user could risk deleting it from the database, even though the cyclicity is well defined.

Thanks

[matkoniecz]

neither https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:permanent&action=edit&redlink=1 nor https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:permanent%3Dno&action=edit&redlink=1 seems documented

[matkoniecz]

(also, why not just seasonal=yes or intermittent=yes ? )

[Kalepom]

It has been described on this page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:permanent
It has been used in a "Projet du mois" (project of the month) task https://projetdumois.fr/projects/2017-04_electionboard

[mnalis]

(also, why not just seasonal=yes or intermittent=yes ? )

I've just noticed that we just ship seasonal but not similar intermittent, although they should be treated the same for the existence quest (as they have same verifiability issues) :

StreetComplete/app/src/main/java/de/westnordost/streetcomplete/quests/existence/CheckExistence.kt

Line 78 in 9da0fc7

and (!seasonal or seasonal = no)

Also I'm not sure why French community decided to use permanent=no instead of intermittent=yes, perhaps because the latter was initially intended / documented only for water bodies (and only later did it begin being used for other things too)?

Anyway, as far as StreetComplete is concerned, I've created small PR #5395 to fix both

[westnordost]

Why would it be wrong to delete a non-permanent object that has been removed?

[mnalis]

Why would it be wrong to delete a non-permanent object that has been removed?

I've tried to document in PR text edit: as I understand it, the panels are removable, but their location is permanent because they are anchored in the ground (see e.g. https://projetdumois.fr/projects/2017-04_electionboard). So they get removed and reinstalled at the exact same place.

Another way to look at it is that it basically maps "board stand", which may or may not have (at some specific time) "board panel" installed on it. But when the users goes there "out of season", they might not look hard enough (i.e. from a distance) and declare that it is missing, while in fact it is still there.

(this is how it differs from e.g. temporary=yes, which I've also considered [and rejected], as for those it is expected to be removed and it is very welcome for SC to remove it when it is no longer present there).