Why the hostility towards OSX 12 Users? #5741

ByThePowerOfScience · 2024-11-18T03:59:00Z

ByThePowerOfScience
Nov 18, 2024

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Ok, so... let me start off by saying: I understand the basic sentiment here. People constantly reporting problems with abandoned software is annoying, especially when you've made it a policy to leave it as-is.

But also, isn't this a bit much?

I mean think about it, OSX 12 is only four years old at this point. And unlike with Windows service packs or Ubuntu updates, Apple left over 1/6 of devices physically unable to upgrade to 13.

Like if it were a "you're on windows vista, stop asking about windows vista" thing I could kind of get behind it, but that's because those people can upgrade and choose not to. People using ten year old Macbooks can't afford to shell out over a thousand dollars for a new Macbook just so Apple will "let us" run the latest version of OSX.

And with Apple being the poster-child of "Planned Obsolescence" that they are, well...

...my point being: you don't have to support old versions by any means, but would you mind chilling with the hostility a bit, please? You're basically yelling at us for being poor. Like, I know I'm poor; making me feel like I'm in the wrong too for not being able to pay the poverty tax is just kinda annoying.

Answered by SMillerDev

Nov 18, 2024

you don't have to support old versions by any means, but would you mind chilling with the hostility a bit, please?

It used to be a more concise message and people ignored it constantly. With this wording people don't. If you can find a wording that makes the status equally clear in a kinder way, please make a pull request to change it.

Edit:

Apple left over 1/6 of devices physically unable to upgrade to 13.

How do you recon that it's 1/6 devices? Because our analytics has macOS 12 at 3% of users https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/os-version/30d/

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ByThePowerOfScience · 2024-11-18T04:15:31Z

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Nov 18, 2024
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Admittedly, it's also kind of hilarious that you straight-up "This Is Not A Place Of Honor" my terminal every time I install something, but yeah it gets kind of grating after a while.

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SMillerDev · 2024-11-18T06:33:51Z

SMillerDev
Nov 18, 2024

you don't have to support old versions by any means, but would you mind chilling with the hostility a bit, please?

It used to be a more concise message and people ignored it constantly. With this wording people don't. If you can find a wording that makes the status equally clear in a kinder way, please make a pull request to change it.

Edit:

Apple left over 1/6 of devices physically unable to upgrade to 13.

How do you recon that it's 1/6 devices? Because our analytics has macOS 12 at 3% of users https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/os-version/30d/

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p-linnane · 2024-11-18T16:22:22Z

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Duplicate of https://github.com/orgs/Homebrew/discussions/5603.

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