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Consider policy on informing people when we get requests to takedown elements of "their" correspondence threads and/or if we actually remove material from them #815

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RichardTaylor opened this issue May 18, 2021 · 7 comments
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We currently have a policy of running the service as transparently as possible, and giving reasons for taking material down where we can.

If we annotate a correspondence thread the requester will be informed.

We don't currently routinely inform users if we get a takedown request which we reject (though we may add an annotation in such circumstances).

We don't routinely inform users if we apply a "censor rule" to their request, or hide / make "requester_only" an element of the correspondence, though in some of cases the action will be visible to all on the thread.

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I don't think we should manually do this – it'll generate a lot of support mail.

Better would be to create a visible event (maybe visible only to the request owner?) that shows "censor rule has been added" or similar. Same idea as in mysociety/alaveteli#4565.

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mdeuk commented Jun 4, 2021

Better would be to create a visible event (maybe visible only to the request owner?) that shows "censor rule has been added" or similar. Same idea as in mysociety/alaveteli#4565.

This would make our life a little easier when responding to Right of access requests - although we would maybe need to be able to dynamically 'unfold' the original version.

mysociety/alaveteli/#6267

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Linking to: Option for censor rules to only apply to public presentation of request mysociety/alaveteli#5412 as a user who is alerted to the fact their request has been redacted may well want to see the original material.

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Related to clarifying ownership of content #841

@RichardTaylor RichardTaylor changed the title Consider policy on informing people when we get requests to takedown elements of "their" correspondence threads Consider policy on informing people when we get requests to takedown elements of "their" correspondence threads and/or if we actually remove material from them May 5, 2022
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We do consider this on a case by case basis. Some notes on recent practice can help making that case by case decision in the future:

  • Consider if we want the requester's input to the takedown decision. They may be a subject-matter expert. They may know how the material has been used/misused.
  • Consider if informing the requester could reduce harm. If there is sensitive material in a response we might let the requester know so they don't republish/reuse it and make the issue worse. We need to take care, and consider if pointing to the problematic material could exacerbate a problem.
  • Consider if we might want to give the requester the chance to obtain material in a situation where we might otherwise delete it (in a case of a bulk data breach), eg. if they are trusted academic / journalist / MP etc. [We haven't done this yet]

Note that following subject access requests asking for information about who requested a takedown of a user's request - we generally do have to identify any organisation which requested the takedown, but usually do not have to, and do not, identify any individual.

@RichardTaylor
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It might be useful to consider what our presumption / starting point should be:

Do we inform users unless there's a reason not to?
Do we only inform users where we are reasonably sure doing so won't cause unwarranted harm?

There is also a question here of how actively we inform users. Sending them a specific email, is different from inserting a note into a correspondence thread and not drawing attention to it.

@garethrees garethrees added this to the Add /help/takedown milestone Oct 24, 2023
@HelenWDTK HelenWDTK added the stale Issues with no activity in over a year label Nov 17, 2024
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This issue is being closed due to a lack of discussion or resolution for over 12 months. Should we decide to revisit this issue in the future, it can be reopened.

@HelenWDTK HelenWDTK closed this as not planned Won't fix, can't repro, duplicate, stale Nov 17, 2024
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