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| # Node.js Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2024-09-18 | ||
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| ## Links | ||
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| * **Recording**: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxDQPQWQGEo> | ||
| * **GitHub Issue**: <https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1619> | ||
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| ## Present | ||
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| * Antoine du Hamel @aduh95 (voting member) | ||
| * Ruben Bridgewater @BridgeAR (voting member) | ||
| * Gireesh Punathil @gireeshpunathil (voting member) | ||
| * Joyee Cheung @joyeecheung (voting member) | ||
| * Chengzhong Wu @legendecas (voting member) | ||
| * Marco Ippolito @marco-ippolito (voting member) | ||
| * Matteo Collina @mcollina (voting member) | ||
| * Michael Dawson @mhdawson (voting member) | ||
| * Moshe Atlow @MoLow (voting member) | ||
| * Richard Lau @richardlau (voting member) | ||
| * Paolo Insogna @ShogunPanda (voting member) | ||
| * Guy Bedford (Guest) | ||
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| ## Agenda | ||
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| ### Announcements | ||
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| * Marco, survey open for collaborators, please complete | ||
| * Richard, Rafael released - 22.9.0 | ||
| * Matteo, there is a registration for if you are planning to go to the collaborator summit. Mandatory because we need it for planning, if you don’t fill in you don’t eat. <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfQoFoTSu_M1TTxy1LbPloxsKr6b9rAa3H96VGZAZHuZQRiyw/viewform?usp=send_form> | ||
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| ### Reminders | ||
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| * Remember to nominate people for the [contributor spotlight](https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/main/doc/contributing/reconizing-contributors.md#bi-monthly-contributor-spotlight) | ||
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| ### CPC and Board Meeting Updates | ||
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| *Extracted from **tsc-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. | ||
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| * Matteo, board meeting is at end of next week. No updates right now | ||
| * Biggest, thing to mention, Chris Williams donated JSConf trademark to the OpenJS | ||
| foundation, this means the conf next year should be JSConf. Great that it’s coming back | ||
| * Joyee, do we have any idea as when it might be, for collaborator summit colocation | ||
| * Matteo, we should know the date/time soon as you need 9-12 months to book a venue. | ||
| Will be in NA. | ||
| * Express is moving along again, recently addressed a number of CVEs | ||
| * Also published V5 but not yet tagged as latest | ||
| * Webpack is establishing new governance and getting from fresh blood. | ||
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| ### nodejs/node | ||
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| * module: support __cjsUnwrapDefault interop flag in require(esm) [#54563](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/54563) | ||
| * Guy, not too many comments since last week | ||
| * Joyee, still coming down to 2 options and don’t seem to have a way to resolve | ||
| * propose that we have a vote, no objections from the 12 | ||
| * Joyee will volunteer to open the vote issue | ||
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| ### nodejs/TSC | ||
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| * Let's talk about the CI situation [#1614](https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1614) | ||
| * Michael, most pain has been removed, by mass marking tests as flaky | ||
| * Joyee, people are kind of trying to “pretend there is no problem”, we’ve had a few cycles of | ||
| this and not a great long term solution. | ||
| * Marco, is it even possible to use some funds to have people work on fixing the flaky tests | ||
| * Michael, if we go $ from Herodevs seems like a good place to invest to me. | ||
| * Gireesh, used to spend some time to help, but have not had time recently | ||
| * what is the cause, tests less robust ? | ||
| * Joyee, good number are likely caused by V8 drain task bug | ||
| * 50/50 in terms of actual bugs and tests not being good | ||
| * Marco, from what I can tell, will be hard to do anything until we have funding, due to lack of volunteers. | ||
| * Michael, unless we can find a team of people to work together then using fundings | ||
| * Matteo, issue is that often that with flaky tests they it is on platforms that may not be | ||
| developers usual platform. | ||
| * Joyee, watch tests are flaky on multiple platforms but also on Windows, most tests that fail on | ||
| a particular platform are generally just easier to reproduce on those platforms. | ||
| * also require some access. | ||
| * would be good for people who watch platforms (like AIX) look for flakes, but AIX is not really | ||
| the project | ||
| * Michael, any objections/concerns with using $ if we have some to pay some people to | ||
| * No objections | ||
| * Joyee will need to define what the objectives | ||
| * Marco, in terms of existing funds in the security bug bounty, best to leave that in case we | ||
| have urgent security work that is needed. We also should handle any investment as a longer | ||
| term effort. | ||
| * Matteo, don’t think we should use the existing bounty $, or use bounty approach. Should | ||
| have proposal were we hire somebody more long term | ||
| * Michael, agree that we don’t use bug bounty and should hire resource longer term | ||
| * Marco, windows arm64 is a common problem | ||
| * Ruben, agree maybe we should invest in machines as timeout seem machine related. | ||
| * Joyee, many of the timeouts are likely the V8 bug not the machine itself. | ||
| * Richard, machines are donated, in many cases in the tests a machine is only running one | ||
| time at a time, parallel tests run in parallel, but increasing machine size will just run more in | ||
| parallel. | ||
| * Ruben if we want to spend $ to improve things then maybe spend $ on the build front | ||
| * Richard, not convinced that it will help. | ||
| * Michael the fact that marking a bunch of tests as flaky improved getting the CI to complete | ||
| says to me that it is the tests, not the machines that were the problem. | ||
| * Richard, no macos testing in Jenkins, all that we have right now is ARM in GitHub | ||
| * there is a migration, | ||
| * Joyee, people or funded, and resources need are lined up for OSX | ||
| * Michael, resources lined up with MacStadium and volunteers and Linux LFX | ||
| resources are working on it | ||
| * Joyee, we are covered for osx stuff, and we really need to get resource to help with flaky | ||
| tests and larger machines. | ||
| * Richard not convinced that larger machines will make a difference | ||
| * Michael, don’t think there is anybody in the build WG that believe that machines are too small and causing the test issues | ||
| * Joyee, as far as I can see, adding more machines won’t help. | ||
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| ## Strategic Initiatives | ||
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| ## Upcoming Meetings | ||
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| * **Node.js Project Calendar**: <https://nodejs.org/calendar> | ||
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| Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar. |