MSC2998: Room Version 7 #2998

anoadragon453 · 2021-02-08T11:44:31Z

tulir · 2021-02-08T11:53:53Z

proposals/2998-rooms-v7.md

+A new room version, `7`, is proposed using [room version 6](https://matrix.org/docs/spec/rooms/v6.html) as a base
+and incorporating the following MSCs:
+
+* [MSC2174](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2174) - Move the `redacts` key to a sane place.


There's no point in having two migrations of redaction format, we should just skip this step and go straight for mass redactions

@tulir I didn't include Mass Redactions as it doesn't currently have an implementation.

You're right in that putting MSC2244 and MSC2174, especially as the former builds on the latter, into the same room version makes sense though. I'd be happy to review/help with a Synapse PR for it.

also, doesn't content.redacts have to be protected from redaction now?

It is protected from redaction by MSC2176, that part works the same way for MSC2174 and MSC2244.

proposals/2998-rooms-v7.md

Co-authored-by: Travis Ralston <[email protected]>

anoadragon453 · 2021-02-18T15:59:22Z

It turns out MSC2175 (remove the creator field from create events) and MSC2174 (move the redacts key) do not have an implementation yet after all, so they will also be excluded. MSC2176 (update redacted event fields) does have an implementation however, and while related to redactions, is only concerned about the keys removed from an event by the server when an event is redacted. This does not affect the structure of a redaction event, like MSC2174 and MSC2244 (mass redactions) is concerned with.

While this leaves us with a fairly lean room version, releasing new features and changes more regularly in smaller room versions is a good precedence to set.

clokep · 2021-02-18T16:13:55Z

It turns out MSC2175 (remove the creator field from create events) and MSC2174 (move the redacts key) do not have an implementation yet after all, so they will also be excluded. MSC2176 (update redacted event fields) does have an implementation however, and while related to redactions, is only concerned about the keys removed from an event by the server when an event is redacted.

I'm not sure I fully grok what this is saying, but #2176 seems to imply it only makes sense if #2174 was also implemented?

anoadragon453 · 2021-02-22T19:13:12Z

MSC2174, MSC2176 and MSC2274 do indeed rely on each other and it would be best to land all of those in a single room version. As the implementation for each are not yet ready, as well as lacking an implementation for MSC2175 we're going to leave them til the next room version, and just go ahead with knocking for this one.

Note that this MSC has been updated to simply reserve v7 for knocking. It does not prevent an MSC for room v8+ appearing in parallel once the above MSCs (or any other MSCs for that matter) have implementations ready.

Given the above, I'm going to propose FCP on this one to get the rest of the team's feedback.

@mscbot fcp merge

mscbot · 2021-02-22T19:13:14Z

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dbkr · 2021-02-24T15:02:51Z

proposals/2998-rooms-v7.md

+* [MSC2403](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2403) - Add "knock" feature.
+
+Though other MSCs are capable of being included in this version, they do not have sufficient implementation to be
+considered stable enough for v7 rooms. A future room version may still include them.


This took me about 5 reads to understand - isn't it just saying, "other mscs aren't ready yet because they don't have impls"?

Indeed, but written a bit tersely for the spec. I'm open to suggestions for something slightly clearer though.

Maybe Though other MSCs could be included in this version, they do not have satisfactory implementations...?

I've dropped the stable enough bit. Hopefully that makes things slightly clearer.

mscbot · 2021-02-24T15:09:21Z

🔔 This is now entering its final comment period, as per the review above. 🔔

mscbot · 2021-03-01T15:09:32Z

The final comment period, with a disposition to merge, as per the review above, is now complete.

Spec for #2998 Spec for #2403 This deliberately does not help towards fixing #3153 in order to remain consistent with prior room versions, and to keep the diff smaller on this change. A future change will address room version legibility.

turt2live · 2021-04-30T15:22:13Z

merged 🎉

MSC2998: Room Version 7

Spec for #2998 Spec for #2403 This deliberately does not help towards fixing #3153 in order to remain consistent with prior room versions, and to keep the diff smaller on this change. A future change will address room version legibility.

MSC2998: Room Version 7

Spec for #2998 Spec for #2403 This deliberately does not help towards fixing #3153 in order to remain consistent with prior room versions, and to keep the diff smaller on this change. A future change will address room version legibility.

anoadragon453 changed the title ~~MSCXXXX: Room Version 7~~ MSC2998: Room Version 7 Feb 8, 2021

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