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| # Jakarta EE Platform Call | ||
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| Date: 2024-01-09 | ||
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| Present: | ||
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| * James Perkins (Red Hat) | ||
| * Jared Anderson (IBM) | ||
| * Emily Jiang (IBM) | ||
| * Jim Krueger (IBM) | ||
| * Nathan Rauh (IBM) | ||
| * Tom Watson (IBM) | ||
| * Ivar Grimstad (Eclipse Foundation) | ||
| * Arjan Tijms (OmniFish) | ||
| * David Matejcek (OmniFish) | ||
| * Ed Burns (MSFT) | ||
| * Lukas Jungmann (Oracle) | ||
| * Tanja Obradovic (Eclipse Foundation) | ||
| * Scott Marlow (Red Hat) | ||
| * Petr Aubrecht (Payara) | ||
| * Nathan Erwin (Individual) | ||
| * Scott Stark (Red Hat) | ||
| * Cesar Hernández (Tomitribe) | ||
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| ## Agenda and Minutes | ||
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| ### Big ticket item for this sprint: EE 11 M02 | ||
| * [JEA-243](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/243) Release review for all Wave 1, 2, 3, 4 specs: due 2024-01-24. | ||
| * [Ed’s 2023-12-13 email to spec-project-leads](https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-spec-project-leads/msg00851.html) | ||
| * I realize this is overshadowed by JEA-83. See below. | ||
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| ### [JEA-83](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/83) Baseline Java SE level for EE 11 | ||
| * Release co-coordinator thoughts | ||
| * We understand these kinds of things unavoidably surface when you try to crank out releases. | ||
| * Even so, this strikes us as an unfortunate wrinkle. | ||
| * We thought the decision to require SE 21 was one of the most important features of EE 11. This was our understanding before agreeing to take the role of release co-coordinator. | ||
| * Multiple parties confirmed this understanding. | ||
| * Emily also observed few specs are using new 21 features. | ||
| * Going back on this seems like a big deal. We do not take it lightly. | ||
| * Note: GlassFish 8 at least will require SE 21+ | ||
| * We observe there seems to be a historical precedent of fear for whenever a new “big” or LTS release comes out. EE7, EE8, had this. | ||
| * Context review | ||
| * Historical issue [gh-platform-553](https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform/issues/553) | ||
| * Scott characterized this issue as demonstrating that it takes two years for an LTS to be adopted. | ||
| * Can we close this issue and point to 820? | ||
| * Recently opened issue [gh-platform-820](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/issues/820) | ||
| * Red Hat is stating that they are not able to have SE 21 as a baseline for any products at this time. | ||
| * Questions to requestor and responses | ||
| * Have you considered alternatives? | ||
| * Why have other implementers not raised this issue? | ||
| * The new wrinkle | ||
| * Because every component spec has its own implementation, and Red Hat **is** the implementation of CDI and Validation, and other downstream implementations need that. | ||
| * Red Hat is seeking clarity: are they allowed to deliver their implementations so that they run on 21 but are compiled on 17? | ||
| * Eclipse process expert perspective | ||
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| * Other thoughts | ||
| * Rest spec has thoughts on this. | ||
| * Thomas Watson asserted | ||
| * We are conflating issues. | ||
| * Emily asserts the steering committee has mandated EE 11 specs compile against 21. | ||
| * Thomas observed to implement this mandate, there must be some spec text that binds implementations to this mandate. | ||
| * What options can we see right now? | ||
| * It seems we must resolve this issue right away. It blocks EE 11M02. | ||
| * Ivar recommends we should define what we want | ||
| * Then go to the spec committee and say this is what we want. | ||
| * Then go to the steering committee and say we heard what you recommended, but this is what we’re doing. | ||
| * Ed tried to identify the key sub-stakeholders on this | ||
| * Red Hat: Scott | ||
| * IBM | ||
| * Thomas | ||
| * Nathan | ||
| * Emily | ||
| * OmniFish: Arjan | ||
| * Note: | ||
| * REST has an opinion on this. | ||
| * Emily observed the REST project, and its veto policy, makes this problematic. | ||
| * MicroProfile has an opinion on this: compile low, support high. | ||
| * Get the plan of record of the spec committee on the minimum SE requirement for EE 11. | ||
| * According to Eclipse practice the Steering Committee can only recommend on the matter of the minimum SE requirement for EE 11. | ||
| * What does the spec committee have power to do on this point? | ||
| * They can fail reviews if they don’t agree with what is done. | ||
| * Practically speaking this functions as a mandate. | ||
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| ### Ratifying Compatible Implementation for EE 11 | ||
| * Our release plan has | ||
| * all the component specs completing release review in Q1CY24. | ||
| * The Ratifying Compatible Implementation is not due to be delivered until June/July 2024. |
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| * [2019](#2019) | ||
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| ## [2024](#2024) | ||
| * [2024-01-09](2024/2024-01-09.md) | ||
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| ## [2023](#2023) | ||
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