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| # Jakarta EE Platform Call | ||
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| Date: 2024-07-09 | ||
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| Present: | ||
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| * Jared Anderson (IBM) | ||
| * Kyle Aure (IBM) | ||
| * Emily Jiang (IBM) | ||
| * Jim Krueger (IBM) | ||
| * Anand N K (IBM) | ||
| * Ed Burns (MSFT) | ||
| * Nathan Rauh (IBM) | ||
| * Adam Yoho (IBM) | ||
| * Ivar Grimstad (Eclipse Foundation) | ||
| * Arjan Tijms (OmniFish) | ||
| * Brian Stansberry (Red Hat) | ||
| * John Clingan (Red Hat) | ||
| * James Perkins (Red Hat) | ||
| * Ed Bratt (Oracle) | ||
| * Dmitry Kornilov (Oracle) | ||
| * Lukas Jungmann (Oracle) | ||
| * Scott Marlow (Red Hat) | ||
| * César Hernández | ||
| * Kenji Kazumura (Fujitsu) | ||
| * Jan Westerkamp (iJUG) | ||
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| ## Agenda and Minutes | ||
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| ### TCK Refactoring Progress Report | ||
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| * We will have a date for a date, or maybe even a date at the TCK call tomorrow. | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 11 | ||
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| * Jakarta-tags-tck-3.0.1.zip TCK staged and should be promoted soon as per [https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakarta.ee-spec/msg03485.html](https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakarta.ee-spec/msg03485.html) | ||
| * Jakarta Persistence and CDI integration | ||
| * Jakarta Persistence side has been released | ||
| * Platform still needs to do something | ||
| * platform change for Persistence? | ||
| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746) is a PR for Persistence CDI integration waiting for evaluation. Will need TCK tests as well. | ||
| * Discussed this with a view toward eliciting what aspects are controversial, if any. | ||
| * Ed believes there are not. ACTION: Proceed with applying suggested changes and get this merged, either by copying commits, or by getting the PR submitter to make the changes. | ||
| * ACTION: Arjan try to implement in GlassFish | ||
| * ACTION: Scott try to implement in WildFly \ | ||
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| * [Schemas](https://jakarta.ee/xml/ns/jakartaee/#11) for Jakarta EE 11 ([status](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1metSofmNMQ2bmhlnc_Ov0CU76WeSgKfd1IwKknGrnWs/edit?gid=0#gid=0)) | ||
| * What to do with these (are they among the removed optional ones?): | ||
| * Jakartaee_web_services_metadata_handler_3_0.xsd | ||
| * Defined by JAX-WS. | ||
| * ACTION: Do not list it for EE 11. | ||
| * Jakartaee_web_services_2_0.xsd | ||
| * Defined by Jakarta Enterprise Web Services specification | ||
| * ACTION: Do not list it for EE 11. | ||
| * Jakartaee_web_services_client_2_0.xsd | ||
| * Defined by Jakarta Enterprise Web Services specification | ||
| * ACTION: Do not list it for EE 11. \ | ||
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| * Needs to be updated: | ||
| * application-client_11.xsd | ||
| * permissions_11.xsd | ||
| * Needs verification | ||
| * jakartaee_11.xsd | ||
| * application_11.xsd | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 12 | ||
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| * Jakarta Config for EE 12 | ||
| * Jan talked to MicroProfile about this last week. These discussions were motivated by some MP telemetry changes that might need it. | ||
| * Emily suggested we defer discussion until MicroProfile 7 has been released. | ||
| * Jan suggested we get all the stakeholders in: Dmitry, Roberto Cortez, Emily especially. | ||
| * One idea mooted is to put Jakarta Config in Jakarta EE Core | ||
| * Maybe split up functionality. One part to Jakarta. Other part, based on that, but remaining in MicroProfile. | ||
| * Arjan: what motivates this? | ||
| * Jan: Avoiding circular dependency to allow CDI to use it, but not introduce dependency on CDI in MicroProfile. | ||
| * These ideas are still under discussion under the Jakarta Config group. | ||
| * Extract “converter concept” from the specs that have it. | ||
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| ### OCX | ||
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| * “Meet the experts” session. Help people get hands on and resolve issue. Somewhat “hackathon” style. | ||
| * Repeat the call for putting the “good-first-issue” tag on issues. |
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| # Jakarta EE Platform Call | ||
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| Date: 2024-07-16 | ||
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| Present: | ||
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| * Ivar Grimstad (Eclipse Foundation) | ||
| * Jared Anderson (IBM) | ||
| * Kyle Aure (IBM) | ||
| * Gautham Krishnan (IBM) | ||
| * Jim Krueger (IBM) | ||
| * Anand N K (IBM) | ||
| * Riva Philip (IBM) | ||
| * Nathan Rauh (IBM) | ||
| * Adam Yoho (IBM) | ||
| * Jan Westerkamp (iJUG) | ||
| * John Clingan (Red Hat) | ||
| * Ed Burns (MSFT) | ||
| * Scott Marlow (Red Hat) | ||
| * Petr Aubrecht (Payara) | ||
| * Ed Bratt (Oracle) | ||
| * Lukas Jungmann (Oracle) | ||
| * James Perkins (Red Hat) | ||
| * Dmitry Kornilov (Oracle) | ||
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| ## Agenda and Minutes | ||
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| ### Top-of-mind from Ed and Arjan | ||
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| * Service release: | ||
| * **Expression Language 6.0.1** | ||
| * Fixes NPE within the API. Very questionably how any implementation could have passed this, unless they used a different API artifact from the official released one (which we allow) | ||
| * OR… expression language is a pure client side test, and it always picks the expression language AP jarI that you want it to test LAST(!). | ||
| * There’s 1 API jar coming in as a dependency from the TCK itself (!), which is used for the tests before the one you want to be tested | ||
| * If your runner uses a parent pom, possibly multiple jars will be on the classpath | ||
| * Arjan has staged this service release and is seeking feedback. ACTION: If no feedback, Arjan will release it. See [JEA-407](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/407). | ||
| * ACTION: Update dependency version in jakartaee api project. | ||
| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-api/pull/167](https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-api/pull/167) | ||
| * See [JEA-411](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/411). | ||
| * House cleaning of projects [JEA-326](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/326). | ||
| * Many projects have long lists of committers that have never been active or haven’t been active since many years | ||
| * Good idea to start some cleaning? | ||
| * Example; | ||
| * [https://www.eclipse.org/lists/openmq-dev/msg00249.html](https://www.eclipse.org/lists/openmq-dev/msg00249.html) \ | ||
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| ### TCK Refactoring Progress Report | ||
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| * [Status Board](https://github.com/orgs/jakartaee/projects/12/views/2) | ||
| * Do all items on the board have to be done in order to ship EE 11? | ||
| * Can some of the items be skipped, or partially done? Shipped incrementally? | ||
| * Can some of the items be deferred to EE 12? | ||
| * What is good enough to get EE 11 out the door? | ||
| * Marlow: [will look at integrating new ant parsing approach with an OpenRewrite recipe](https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck-tools/issues/44)** \ | ||
| ** | ||
| ### Jakarta EE 11 | ||
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| * XML Schemas | ||
| * Schemas proposed complete. | ||
| * Thanks to everyone that contributed on the email [thread](https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg04488.html)! | ||
| * ACTION: Please check [https://jakarta.ee/xml/ns/jakartaee/#11](https://jakarta.ee/xml/ns/jakartaee/#11) if there are any updates needed. | ||
| * API artifacts | ||
| * A couple of service releases added | ||
| * QUESTION: When do we cut a RC1 release? | ||
| * Service releases | ||
| * Tags [JEA-242](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/242) | ||
| * Connectors [JEA-417](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/417) ACTION: Ed needs to understand the impact of this on EE 11. | ||
| * EL | ||
| * ANSWER: Yes, let’s cut an RC1 when these are in. | ||
| * Milestone release process | ||
| * Ed Bratt wrote: “Are you using the Github Release / Tags feature when you make Platform releases? If not, I wonder if we might want to consider that?” | ||
| * No, but we should have been doing that. I have filed [JEA-408](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/408). | ||
| * Conversation on [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746) seems to be going well, not sure if there are any more questions pending regarding `A prototype of adding persistence requirements for CDI in EE environments` | ||
| * We need implementations to try it still. | ||
| * We also need a list of what will not work with Persistence CDI in EE. | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 10 | ||
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| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/faces/issues/1935](https://github.com/jakartaee/faces/issues/1935) TCK challenge proposal to accept the Faces challenge for running on Java 21. | ||
| * I think we are waiting on Faces team to agree that a user workaround is approved of ignoring the test failure on Java 21. | ||
| * The Faces 4.0.x branch needs someone to fix a build failure, not sure when that might happen. Otherwise, we would try to fix the failing test. | ||
| * Any concerns? | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 12 | ||
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| * Some discussion about removal of Application Client in EE 12. See [JEA-414](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/414). | ||
| * ACTION: Nathan raised a good question about dependencies and javadoc. | ||
| * What is the guidance for spec JavaDoc that wants to link to a different spec JavaDoc that wouldn't otherwise be a dependency? For example, if JavaDoc includes {@link Resource}, this adds value to the user who can follow the link, but it comes at the cost of the spec declaring a dependency on Jakarta Annotations. If the JavaDoc instead refers to it as {@code jakarta.annotation.Resource} then there is no dependency, but there user isn't able to follow a link to the JavaDoc for Resource. This scenario comes up often enough. Is there any recommendation or requirement on which direction we should be taking? | ||
| * Lukas Jungmann had some other observations about this. If the spec makes a behavioral dependency on another spec, should this be encoded in the POM? |
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| # Jakarta EE Platform Call | ||
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| Date: 2024-07-23 | ||
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| Present: | ||
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| * Ed Burns (MSFT) | ||
| * James Perkins (Red Hat) | ||
| * John Clingan (Red Hat) | ||
| * Jared Anderson (IBM) | ||
| * Kyle Aure (IBM) | ||
| * Anand N K (IBM) | ||
| * Riva Philip (IBM) | ||
| * Nathan Rauh (IBM) | ||
| * Thomas Watson (IBM) | ||
| * Adam Yoho (IBM) | ||
| * Scott Marlow (Red Hat) | ||
| * Petr Aubrecht (Payara) | ||
| * César Hernández (Tomitribe) | ||
| * Ed Bratt (Oracle) | ||
| * Jan Westerkamp (iJUG) | ||
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| ## Agenda and Minutes | ||
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| ### Top-of-mind from Ed and Arjan | ||
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| * Ed took DTO Friday and Monday | ||
| * ACTION: Ed to carry forward items after the meeting | ||
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| ### TCK Refactoring Progress Report | ||
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| * [Status Board](https://github.com/orgs/jakartaee/projects/12/views/2) | ||
| * Scott Marlow and Ed worked through a simple test removal exercise. | ||
| * Branch actions | ||
| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform-tck/tree/legacytck](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform-tck/tree/legacytck) contains the removed tests + other tests | ||
| * _tckrefactor_ branch has been renamed to _main_ | ||
| * _master_ branch renamed to _notmaster [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform-tck/tree/notmaster](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform-tck/tree/notmaster)_ | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 11 | ||
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| * Service release status? | ||
| * Tags | ||
| * Arjan has staged this service release and is seeking feedback. ACTION: If no feedback, Arjan will release it. See [JEA-407](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/407). | ||
| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/762](https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/762) is the TCK service release. | ||
| * The TCK side is already done | ||
| * There needs to be a PR to [https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pulls](https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pulls) to introduce tags 3.0.2 SPEC API | ||
| * EL | ||
| * ACTION: Update dependency version in jakartaee api project. | ||
| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-api/pull/167](https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-api/pull/167) | ||
| * See [JEA-411](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/411). | ||
| * [https://jakarta.ee/specifications/expression-language/6.0/](https://jakarta.ee/specifications/expression-language/6.0/) | ||
| * [Add EL TCK 6.0.1 service release info by alwin-joseph · Pull Request #768 · jakartaee/specifications (github.com)](https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/768) | ||
| * [Release Expression Language 6.0.1 service release by arjantijms · Pull Request #766 · jakartaee/specifications (github.com)](https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/766) | ||
| * API artifacts | ||
| * QUESTION: When do we cut a RC1 release? | ||
| * Service releases | ||
| * Tags [JEA-242](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/242) | ||
| * Connectors [JEA-417](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/417) ACTION: Ed needs to understand the impact of this on EE 11. | ||
| * EL | ||
| * ANSWER: Yes, let’s cut an RC1 when these are in. | ||
| * Conversation on [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746) seems to be going well, not sure if there are any more questions pending regarding `A prototype of adding persistence requirements for CDI in EE environments` | ||
| * We need implementations to try it still. | ||
| * We also need a list of what will not work with Persistence CDI in EE. | ||
| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform-tck/issues/1405](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform-tck/issues/1405) is for adding Platform TCK tests for Persistence integration in EE environments with CDI. | ||
| * “Meeting the needs of the developers” blog post. [JEA-392](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/392) | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 12 | ||
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| * Some discussion about removal of Application Client in EE 12. See [JEA-414](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/414). | ||
| * Informal discussion within IBM about it. No strong opposition to it. | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 10 | ||
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| * [https://github.com/jakartaee/faces/issues/1935](https://github.com/jakartaee/faces/issues/1935) TCK challenge proposal to accept the Faces challenge for running on Java 21. | ||
| * The challenge has been accepted by the component spec. |
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| # Jakarta EE Platform Call | ||
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| Date: 2024-07-30 | ||
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| Present: | ||
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| * Kyle Aure (IBM) | ||
| * Nathan Rauh (IBM) | ||
| * Thomas Watson (IBM) | ||
| * James Perkins (Red Hat) | ||
| * Ed Burns (MSFT) | ||
| * Anand NK (IBM) | ||
| * Riva T Philip (IBM) | ||
| * Jim Krueger (IBM) | ||
| * Lukas Jungmann (Oracle) | ||
| * Scott Marlow (Red Hat) | ||
| * Ed Bratt (Oracle) | ||
| * Kenji Kazumura (Fujitsu) | ||
| * Jared Anderson (IBM) | ||
| * Dmitry Kornilov (Oracle) | ||
| * Petr Aubrecht (Payara) | ||
| * Cesar Hernandez (Tomitribe) | ||
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| ## Agenda and Minutes | ||
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| ### Refactoring Progress Report | ||
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| * Removing tests for optional, and therefore removed, specifications. | ||
| * We will prune additional tests as we encounter them. | ||
| * This will make it faster to iterate on the remainder of the work, because it will decrease the overall time it takes to run the complete TCK. | ||
| * [Status Board](https://github.com/orgs/jakartaee/projects/12/views/2) | ||
| * Please consider attending the Platform TCK call: 11 am EDT Wednesday 2024-07-31. | ||
| * [https://eclipse.zoom.us/j/81451627633?pwd=1OSXpURJ51hP26R65CPE0NwObZlFmQ.1](https://eclipse.zoom.us/j/81451627633?pwd=1OSXpURJ51hP26R65CPE0NwObZlFmQ.1) | ||
| * Check out the agenda | ||
| * Meeting ID: 814 5162 7633 | ||
| * Passcode: JakartaTCK | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 11 | ||
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| * Service release status? | ||
| * Tags | ||
| * Arjan has staged this service release and is seeking feedback. ACTION: If no feedback, Arjan will release it. See [JEA-407](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/407). | ||
| * There needs to be a PR to [https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pulls](https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pulls) to introduce tags 3.0.2 SPEC API | ||
| * EL | ||
| * See [JEA-411](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/411). | ||
| * [Add EL TCK 6.0.1 service release info by alwin-joseph · Pull Request #768 · jakartaee/specifications (github.com)](https://github.com/jakartaee/specifications/pull/768) | ||
| * GPG key expired, Ivar filed ticket to get this renewed. | ||
| * API artifacts | ||
| * QUESTION: When do we cut a RC1 release? | ||
| * Service releases | ||
| * Tags [JEA-242](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/242) | ||
| * Connectors [JEA-417](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/417) ACTION: Ed needs to understand the impact of this on EE 11. | ||
| * EL | ||
| * ANSWER: Yes, let’s cut an RC1 when these are in. | ||
| * @Resource and CDI/JPA integration | ||
| * [Look to deprecate JNDI, @Resource, @Resources in favor of Config](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/issues/355) | ||
| * Even though this references Config, I believe we should deprecate JNDI, @Resource and @Resources to allow for removal in EE12 or later. | ||
| * Table discussion of [https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/issues/355](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/issues/355) until + are on the call. | ||
| * [CDI/JPA Integration](https://github.com/jakartaee/platform/pull/746) | ||
| * This is ready to merge. Further updates should be made as the TCK tests are written to address outstanding questions on the PR. | ||
| * Scott Marlow voiced concern that the persistence stakeholders may not be paying attention to the platform mailing list, so the issue may not have adequate representation. | ||
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| ### Jakarta EE 12 | ||
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| * Application client removal | ||
| * ACTION: [JEA-415](https://dev.azure.com/jakarta-ee-azdo/jakarta-ee-azdo/_workitems/edit/415) Ed polls vendors. |
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