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# IPFS All Hands Call 08 August 2016 | ||
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**Moderator:** Matt Zumwalt (@flyingzumwalt) | ||
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**Notetaker:** Richard Littauer (@RichardLitt) | ||
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**Attendees** | ||
- @nicola | ||
- @RichardLitt | ||
- @jbenet | ||
- @flyingzumwalt | ||
- @haadcode | ||
- @em-ly | ||
- @dignifiedquire | ||
- @diasdavid | ||
- @betaphors | ||
- @Kubuxu | ||
- @haadcode | ||
- @gavinmcdermott | ||
- @ReidWilliams | ||
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## Agenda | ||
1. Roll call by alphabetical order (moderator) | ||
2. New call/sprint format and Community Calendar - [issue 134](https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/134) and [this comment](https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/133#issuecomment-238265884) | ||
3. Call for additional agenda items (moderator) | ||
4. Checking in on the GitHub issue. (@diasdavid) | ||
5. PM Process Discussions [PR 131](https://github.com/ipfs/pm/pull/131) (@flyingzumwalt) | ||
6. Proposal for a breakout call: mfs and `ipfs files`. See [this issue] | ||
8. Proposal for discussion: pubsub. See [this comment](https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/130#issuecomment-237293938). (@diasdavid) | ||
(https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/98#issuecomment-238032795). (@diasdavid) | ||
9. Proposal for discussion: IPLD. See [this issue](https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/124). (@nicola) | ||
10. Schedule for the day | ||
11. Renaming libp2p-swarm to net-machine. See [this issue](https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p-swarm/issues/40#issuecomment-238034905). (@diasdavid) | ||
12. RFI about Q2 Update (jbenet) | ||
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1. Moderator/notetaker for next time: | ||
* Moderator: @flyingzumwalt | ||
* Notetaker: @dignifiedquire | ||
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# Notes | ||
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- Raise questions by raising hands. | ||
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## New format for quick round | ||
- type of discussion: | ||
- Cross-cutting | ||
- Need discussion | ||
- delegate conversations for later | ||
- moderator | ||
- can rotate | ||
- keeps things on track | ||
- keeping things rolling | ||
- keepin' it smooth | ||
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## Agenda items | ||
- write them on github | ||
- announce them at the beginning of the call | ||
- writing them in the PAD | ||
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## Checking in for Github | ||
- We should continue to check in on the Sprint issue | ||
- But this isn't happening | ||
- We should also have a section about things which we said we could do, but don't | ||
- @jbenet: I don't know if we're going with Kanban or Agile, or so on, and this will make sense later. Super important to track though. | ||
- @dignifiedquire: Writing the tasks is a waste of time if we have Boards. We need to be able to check things at places in time, though, and take a screenshot (or some other way of capturing time-sensitive information), once a week or so. | ||
- @jbenet: We can discuss this, and what models we want, on GitHub | ||
- TODO: @diasdavid Open a GitHub issue about this topic so we can discuss it async | ||
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## PM Process Discussions | ||
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- Note for new people: We are working on our process right now; in particular, we're trying to get our model down. | ||
- After Lisbon, the goal is to put together a process for managing our projects in the IPFS community. | ||
- We need to find a general-enough process that we can use, but that people can choose to opt into (or not). | ||
- Some IPFS projects may need this now, however. | ||
- So far, a lot of discussion about how we do PM. First, we've been figuring out the model - as @jbenet says, "figuring our the description for the process so that you can implement it with post-it notes if needed." | ||
- There's a document in a PR (https://github.com/ipfs/pm/pull/131) that is good, and we're working on feedback for that | ||
- We need some tool which can be automated, though: roadmaps, milestones, tags, and so on. Ideally, something does this all for you (CI hook, or something similar). | ||
- @jbenet: What should people do this week while we hash this out? | ||
- TODO: @ipfs/devs: Add your sprint todos this Monday for the following work, using the old method, while we figure out how we want this to look. Explicit decision: Use what we used to do that worked (aka huge markdown lists in the sprint issue). | ||
- This pertains to: @RichardLit, @jbenet, @flyingzumwalt, @haadoce, @dignifiedquire, @diasdavid, @Kubuxu, @whyrusleeping, @nicola | ||
- Anyone want to get involved, but havent yet? | ||
- @RichardLitt: Waiting becuase there are a lot of cooks, would like to get involved when you feel it is a good time. | ||
- @dignifiedquire: I'd also like to know, but when there is a draft. | ||
- @haadcode: Review it this week; next week is tooling. | ||
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## MFS | ||
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@jbenet: All the bike sheds! Can we do this over GitHub? | ||
@diasdavid: If we commit to that, but over a couple of days, not two months, if possible? | ||
@jbenet will do. | ||
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## PubSub | ||
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@diasdavid: Breakout Discussion!! | ||
- What do we do with our time, research, prototype, and so on. | ||
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When: Immediately after this call | ||
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## IPLD | ||
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Scheduled. | ||
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## Renaming | ||
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@diasdavid: Should be part of the libp2p discussion | ||
@jbenet: I can't make that call, and this should be on github. | ||
TODO: Can we prioritize that issue? (Yes) | ||
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## RFI about Q2 Update | ||
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@jbenet: I'm preparing an update on Q2 for the whole IPFS project. Highlighting a lot of important things, too. | ||
I will post a skeleton or a draft and tag relevant people about this (also needs pictures!). | ||
@RichardLitt: Let me haaaalpp | ||
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## Done. Retrospective | ||
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Done in under 45 minutes. We'll tighten this up. |
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# IPLD 08 August 2016 | ||
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Welcome! Note: please add your name to etherpad on the right ---------------> | ||
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**Moderator:** David Dias (@diasdavid) | ||
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**Notetaker:** (Nicola Greco @nicola) (with em-ly helping!)(\o/) | ||
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**Attendees** | ||
@em-ly | ||
@jbenet | ||
@nicola | ||
@dignifiedquire | ||
@diasdavid | ||
@EdwardSilverton | ||
@flyzumwalt | ||
@stebalien | ||
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## Agenda | ||
agenda is here: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/124 | ||
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0.0. CIDv1 https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/130 | ||
Canonical representation ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/6 | ||
Multiple hash pointers in link object ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/5 | ||
Use of IPLD pointers in link object ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/3 | ||
Allow properties in link object (or reserve that space) ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/2 | ||
Relative Paths in IPLD ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/1 | ||
IPLD links must be IPLD pointers ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/8 | ||
Requiring prefixing of paths ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/7 | ||
Mutable pointers ( https://github.com/ipld/specs/issues/9 | ||
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## Notes | ||
- Calls biweekly, issue will be created with agenda topics that need to be covered | ||
- CID (content ID) | ||
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## Action items | ||
- CID | ||
- [ ] more time | ||
- [ ] implementation | ||
- [ ] write its own spec | ||
- [ ] discuss where CIDs belong to (multiformats, IPLD, ?) | ||
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Ref prefixing of paths | ||
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1. For the notion of linking between protobuf to protobuf there is an implicit CID of v0, protobuf, base58. To allow for the | ||
integration of other raw objects, like git objects we need this implicit thing as well. Given that then all links inside networks | ||
are using implicit CIDs, except for IPLD do we want to do the same thing for IPLD inside links? | ||
2. Do we need to use /ipld/<cid> or <cid> for linking to IPLD objects inside IPLD objects? |
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# IPFS PubSub 08 August 2016 | ||
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Welcome! Note: please add your name to etherpad on the right ---------------> | ||
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**Moderator:** David Dias (@diasdavid) | ||
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**Notetaker:** (Nicola Greco @nicola) (with em-ly helping!)(\o/) | ||
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**Attendees** | ||
- @nicola | ||
- @jbenet | ||
- @flyingzumwalt | ||
- @haadcode | ||
- @em-ly | ||
- @dignifiedquire | ||
- @diasdavid | ||
- @betaphors | ||
- @haadcode | ||
- @gavinmcdermott | ||
- @ReidWilliams | ||
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## Agenda | ||
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# Pubsub notes | ||
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## Pre-readings | ||
- PubSub discussions so far: https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apubsub | ||
- PubSub repo -> https://github.com/libp2p/pubsub | ||
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## Background | ||
- How do you get fast and (reliable?) communication amongst peers that subscribe to a particular content? | ||
- Everyone that builds on top of IPFS requires pub/sub | ||
- e.g. social networks (orbit, ethereum community!) | ||
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## Requirements for PubSub v1 | ||
- Subsecond Latency | ||
- Small networks (thousands of notes) | ||
- No? need for packet switching | ||
- There are a few proposed implementations (links?) | ||
- Authenticated streams (data model) | ||
- Way of subscribing and getting notification | ||
- Survive the massive amount of churn in browsers! | ||
- Minimize flood (receiving the same message multiple times) | ||
- Authentication MAY wait | ||
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### TODO | ||
- Design | ||
- [ ] list down a list of requirements | ||
- [ ] do we need authenticated streams? | ||
- [ ] Use cases https://github.com/ipfs/2016-Q3-Workshop/issues/17#issuecomment-235006729 | ||
- [ ] Identify simplest possible implementation | ||
- e.g. given an annuouncement channel, find a way to form into clusters | ||
that just need a partial view (needed for Orbit) | ||
- [ ] Iron down authenticated streams | ||
- [ ] Trying to identify the different layers | ||
- Implementation | ||
- [ ] create a shared document and start implementing prototypes | ||
- [ ] Testing: Build very basic implementations and a way to spin up a network with thousand of nodes | ||
- [ ] Write down a BIG ISSUE about IPLD | ||
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## Lit-review outcome | ||
- Little progress | ||
- Understand concept of treeforming | ||
- We should focus on topic-based pubsub | ||
- Select small spanning trees with not too much effort | ||
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## Questions | ||
- q: What happened with ethereum? | ||
- a: not sure what worked | ||
- a: we may need a post-mortem (there are already papers) | ||
- a: not sure if it supports that big of a network | ||
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## Layers | ||
- Defining the **interface** for pubsub | ||
- Defining the **data model** for pub/sub (mikola/nicola) https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/154 |