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Unified rendering of healthcare objects #2938
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Looking at the list i could imaging some (birthing_center, midwife, blood_donation, physiotherapist, psychotherapist, rehabilitation) can have a healthcareColor dot. But not everything (for example blood_bank is no place to go). This issue could get an meta issue like #108 |
This one could be meta, you just need to make a list. 😄 |
Ok, so listing what needs to be done: new, with pink cross/dot and maybe with name=* or operator=* label for healthcare=...
conflicting ones, they are covered by some other tags
(just give me a ping, if you prefer an sep. issue ticket instead or if I embed it to the first post ...) IMHO it's worth to tune the styling for zoomlevels. For example hospitals are more important than centres or doctors. BTW: I also started an JOSM preset ... |
Separate tickets would be needed later, I think first we need to know the numbers of uses for each case. |
@kocio-pl Of course, I updated the post above and included the usage provided by taginfo. Just that you don't get me wrong: I don't want to oppress the healthcare schema in favour of the traditional tags. Instead I like to enable the support, so mappers can also use the healthcare tagging to support new features as midwifes, centres, ... which IMHO would allow an better styling, even if the community starts micromapping every single practitioner and therapist within a city 😉 P.S. Be aware, there are some other "lost ones" 10k objects tagged for example with health_facility=*. |
Is there anything left I can do to speedup the development of this feature? 😃 |
Making a PR and rendering examples would certainly be a progress. |
I prepared a sample icon for the laboratory. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mikroskop9.png |
How would it look like in amenity brown or healthcare red in 14 px matrix? I believe that shape is too complex for this size. |
pink https://s9.postimg.org/3od4ph8bz/pink_14.png pink simply(probably a bit too simple?) https://s9.postimg.org/vpr62w38v/simply_pink_14.png |
It's still 64 px and the last one is too simple, indeed. |
Not sure if wikimedia commons wants to get cluttered with lots of design drafts. |
What do you think about change health objects colour to red? For me, it would fit better (e.g. red crosses on ambulances https://www.google.pl/search?client=opera&hs=6a0&biw=1920&bih=981&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=w3qFWqL4GZLfwQLcyJeQAg&q=ambulance&oq=ambulance&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0.0.1115112.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.cbuGlLSwW1w ) |
I would have to see the test rendering to have any idea about it. |
Thanks! I don't feel the urge to change it, so that's up to the rest of community, including preparing PR, but it seems OK and it may make it easier to distinguish. |
I recommend to start an separated issue, as this is related to healthcare, but isn't tied to this extension of further healthcare objects itself. BTW: The colors are tied to the culture. While people from Europe / East know red for emergencies, users from America search for pink/green icons https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Healthcare&oldid=1318635#Rendering |
In the case of a hospital (in my opinion the most-important but not the most popular health care element) I can not agree. I noticed that in the Christian & Muslim civilization hospital/first aid have red color (Maybe in other civilizations it is different). However, there is a lot of diversity regarding pharmacies! Please look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_signs |
@Matthias84 |
"people from Europe / East know red for emergencies, users from America search for pink/green icons"
Unless it would not be consistent? |
I think these objects should be unified by one color. |
I also think this should be one color. Green is used for leisure/sport, so don't belong here, but red or current dark pink would be OK for me. |
Sorted list: Separate icons already:
Dot-rendering candidates list:
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I looked at it quickly https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare The amenites are combined with the medicine that I know. Why should it be omitted healthcare=laboratory? Otherwise. Tags are individual choices of local map makers and I should not decide which ones are better or worse. Thanks for the tip @dieterdreist |
Midwifes are no doctors. At least not in germany |
@HolgerJeromin You're right, I've translated it wrong and i was misled by a photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwife#/media/File:Midwife_check-up.jpg I did not know that the pregnancy can be led by a midwife. |
It's not about efficiency. Changes in |
Ok, I resolved the issue https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/217598504 (polygon) https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5799816033 (node) |
@jragusa Thanks! Anyway, I would like to see some "wider" examples (maybe on lower zooms?) to rate does this colour isn't too prominent comparing to the rest of map. |
My remarks:
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@kocio-pl @meased @Adamant36 What do you think about current initial zoom levels of |
We might need to check with the French community about this, but there might be some facilities that are a clinic (day treatment) and not a hospital (overnight). |
After some more map checking I propose:
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The levels were ready for doctors and hospital, we have added clinic between them, because we were not sure what is it really, but probably smaller than hospital and bigger than typical doctors. I think it was good decision.
Wow, sounds like a sane definition at last! Could you discuss it on Tagging and add on the wiki? |
That was discussed on tagging a while ago and is reflected in the wiki:
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Will this introduce the mentioned healthcare=* tags at the corresponding zoomlevels, too? |
So what do you suggest for zoom level of @kvlahromei, do you talk about They are currently not rendered in my preview. Do I include them too next to |
Well, the intention of this ticket is to add support for healthcare=*
objects.
As later posts say, there are objects that are already covered by
amenity=* tags, but some new ones need to be added. Idealy they have the
same styling+zoom as existing health object classes.
(Personally I prefer not to mix altering the health styling and
introducing new hashtags. But of course, this is up to the PR author)
>> Jérémy Ragusa ***@***.***> 22.10.2018 16:56 >>>
So what do you suggest for zoom level of
`amenity=clinic/dentist/doctors/hospital/veterinary` ?
@kvlahromei, do you talk about
`healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctors/hospital` ?
They are currently not rendered in my preview. Do I include them too
next to `amenity` equivalent ?
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@jragusa To be precisious: |
I don't have a problem with the current situation, but in the areas I'm familiar with, they are rather spread out. |
@Tomasz-W ok, I moved Anything else or can I create the PR ? |
@jragusa That's all :) |
@jragusa Could you plz include the healthcare=* tag support for this amenities and the new introduced, too? (sorry if this is just an misunderstanding) |
@kvlahromei I missed your previous comment. I added them to the list. I take this opportunity to recommend a discussion in the tagging list about duplicated tag |
Thank you! I pointed out this parallelism at 4th comment as the situation as it is currently in the wild. The healthcare proposal already focused this migration and suggests just to render both tagging schemas. After a while, the legacy tags might be cleaned up and forgotten. |
Hi,
currently amenity=doctors, amenity=hospital, shop=optican, ... are covered in the current style.
I recommend to add further healthcare=* objects as there are esp. in big cities more complex clinic / campus areas that would benefit from a more detailed (but also balanced) rendering of that institutions.
For example here in Rostock we are currently hiding this details
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It would be great, if we can present this POIs in the same pink tone (but without icons) as the doctors, veterinarian, ...
(This was already suggested in #1981, #763 some years ago. But I see a growing popularity / more precise tagging since that time)
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