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Hello, I am using pycontails to not only simulate contrails due to Jet A-1 or SAF but also liquid hydrogen combustion. Since there are no additional nvPM Emissions due to LH2 the ambient aerosol concentration becomes more important. At the moment a "min_ice_particle_number_nvpm_ei_n" is defined to account for ambient aerosol particles in case the nvPM are below this threshhold. Unfortunatly the ice particle number is thereafter calculated with the fuel per segment length |
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Thanks for starting this discussion, @maxicloco. We're taking a look at this and will follow up soon! |
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I think you bring up a good point, @maxicloco. pycontrails/pycontrails/models/cocip/contrail_properties.py Lines 204 to 218 in 2c35205 Scaling by fuel consumption seems like the right thing to do for secondary aerosols, since they form from combustion byproducts. As you point out, it's probably not the ideal way to represent ambient aerosols. We could think about separating If we did this, we'd also want to make the floor for @zebengberg and @trdean1, what do you think about moving this to an issue? (I would classify it as a feature request rather than a bug fix. Our current approach seems fine for Jet-A and SAF, but figuring out a way to better represent nucleation on ambient aerosols might be more appropriate for LH2.) |
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Hi @maxicloco , thank you for your question. We have previously used pycontrails to perform an exploratory study to evaluate the effects of liquid hydrogen (LH2) on the change in persistent contrail formation, properties, and climate forcing. We had to resolve these similar questions and came up with the following workaround that is consistent with what was proposed by @thabbott :
We acknowledge that this solution is not ideal, but it should provide a quick workaround to the issues you are facing. We agree that the global spatiotemporal variability in ambient aerosol concentration is important for the simulation of LH2, and are currently working on incorporating this feature into pycontrails. Depending on development priorities, we expect this feature to be integrated in pycontrails within two months. |
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Hello @thabbott and @roger-teoh , thanks to both of you for the detailed updates and information! Thanks @roger-teoh for your solution for the problem. I am really looking forward to the coming updates! I would end the discussion as resolved. |
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I think you bring up a good point, @maxicloco.
min_ice_particle_number_nvpm_ei_n
is currently used to represent activation of secondary aerosols produced by engine emissions and ambient aerosols:pycontrails/pycontrails/models/cocip/contrail_properties.py
Lines 204 to 218 in 2c35205