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Repay victims of the April 2020 security incident using BTC trading fees #209
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This doesn't match with "the DAO will repay victims as quickly as possible". I acknowledge and agree that there must be a minimum for the Bisq to keep working, or it will be impossible to compensate victims. |
I am one of the victims and I hope to receive the exact amount of BTC I lost.
I think that Bisq's monthly revenue in BTC will not down when BTC price pumps. (I talk on the premise that Bisq's monthly revenue will increase when the trading volume increase) There is no obvious negative correlation with BTC price and Bisq trading volume. as to XMR/BTC market: Here are BTC's monthly average price and Bisq's monthly trading volume in BTC since Jan 2019.
source of BTC average price: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin/historical_data/usd?start_date=2019-01-01&end_date=2020-04-14 Still, there is a possibility that Bisq's monthly revenue drops significantly in the future. |
I'd like to hear from the other victims too. Like @333shine, I assume most of you are interested in btc, not bsq, usd, xmr. Correct? |
a pragmatic approach would be to try to keep track of the refunds payed to the victims in USD AND BTC. Then we have the data and we can decide on the go. |
I would be fine getting reimbursed in either BTC or XMR, preferably BTC as that is what i was supposed to get out of the trade and my trade strategy is based on that. @huey735 As @333shine indicated if revenue for Bisq becomes lower i don't mind getting back less per month and having to wait longer. The amount matters more to me than the time-frame in which it would be reimbursed. |
I have the same idea with @invertedbobb |
@freimair wrote
This is the plan, as per the following excerpts from the proposal:
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I am one of the victims and I would also like to receive BTC, as this was the purpose of the trade. |
I'm confused. The first and last part seem to be (partially) in conflict? |
The proposal phase for Cycle 12 is almost over. I'd like to summarize where we are in this conversation and see if it's appropriate to submit this proposal to the DAO for an immediate vote. Below, I will list each of the major sections of the proposal as laid out in the description above, and I'll summarize the areas where I believe we have consensus and where we don't. The DAO will repay victims for their lossesI believe we have consensus. The DAO will not repay victims immediately + The DAO will repay victims over timeI believe we have consensus. The DAO will repay victims using trading fees paid in BTCI believe we have consensus. The DAO will repay victims directly using Bisq's Filter mechanismThis part is detailed in @chimp1984's original proposal at #205. I believe we have consensus on doing it this way. The DAO will repay victims the USD value of funds lost at time of theftWe do not yet have consensus here. The following counter-proposals are on the table:
I suggest that we defer this decision by moving it to a separate proposal to be voted on in the next cycle (Cycle 13). Doing so will allow us to approve everything else in this proposal and to get victim repayments started as quickly as possible. It will take many months in any case to get anywhere near repaying the full value, be it the original BTC amount lost or the BTC equivalent of the USD value of the funds lost at time of theft. As detailed in the proposal, we will track both of these values from the start, so we will be able to implement either decision. The DAO will repay victims as quickly as possibleI believe we have consensus on this section, with the exception of the following point:
In #209 (comment), @MwithM counter-proposes the following:
Like with the section above, I believe we can defer this specific decision to a separate proposal to be voted on in Cycle 13. The most important thing at this point is to develop the payment tracking mechanism and begin routing payments to victims as soon as possible. I will add notes to the original proposal text above indicating the sections where we do not have consensus, and where I suggest we defer decision-making to a subsequent proposal. I will then submit this proposal to the DAO such that it can be voted on immediately in Cycle 12. |
Per the comment above, please see the "UPDATE 2020-04-19" notes added to the original proposal description with the sections of text that have been |
This proposal has been submitted to the DAO for voting in Cycle 12 with transaction ID |
Regarding #209 (comment), @invertedbobb wrote:
They are not in conflict. It just means that the repayment tracking mechanism will track both the total value of BTC repaid to each address as well as the total USD value according to the USD/BTC price at the time of each BTC payment. |
This proposal was approved in Cycle 12, so now we need to set about implementing the solution and creating the follow-on proposals. The task list below captures the next steps as I see them:
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@bisq-network/proposals-maintainers, please leave this proposal open until the task list above is completed, thanks. |
Closing as accepted. Re the task list above, I've moved creating the follow-on proposals to a dedicated issue at bisq-network/admin#78. Please subscribe to that to stay informed. |
What follows was originally posted at #205 (comment) and has been reposted here as its own proposal for clarity. This proposal supersedes #205, which has now been closed, but readers may still wish to review the comment thread there.
Background
On the dates of March 28th and April 7th 2020, a total of 34.86 bitcoin were stolen from 6 Bisq traders attempting to buy BTC in exchange for XMR. The blog post at https://bisq.network/statement-security-vulnerability-april-2020 explains the nature of the theft, and the pull request at bisq-network/bisq#4134 fixed the flaw that made it possible.
The DAO will repay victims for their losses
The DAO should and will repay victims for their losses because they were ultimately caused by an avoidable flaw in code written by DAO contributors.
The DAO will not repay victims immediately
An ideal plan would immediately repay victims the full amount of BTC they lost in a one-time lump sum payment. This is not possible because the DAO does not have a reserve from which to draw these funds.
An alternative plan would be to immediately repay victims by issuing an amount of BSQ equivalent to the amount of BTC lost. This approach cannot work, however, because current BSQ market liquidity is insufficient to handle such a large increase in supply. Victims would be unable to liquidate their BSQ for BTC in the near term without severely depressing the BSQ price, resulting in a losing situation for victims, contributors and all other BSQ stakeholders alike.
The DAO will repay victims over time
Because there is no way to repay victims immediately, repayment must occur over time as a function of actual trading fee revenues.
The DAO will repay victims using trading fees paid in BTC
The simplest and most direct way to repay victims over time is in BTC using Bisq trading fees paid in BTC (as opposed to trading fees paid in BSQ). @chimp1984 has laid out in #205 how this can be implemented technically using Bisq's Filter mechanism.
Each victim will provide a bitcoin address to which repayments will be sent. In the proposed Filter-based implementation, one of these addresses will be randomly selected for each trade whose fees are paid in BTC, such that the victim directly and immediately receives that BTC.
A mechanism will be developed to track how much BTC has been received by each address over time, and when a given address has been fully repaid it will be removed from the filter such that no further payments are sent to it.
Note that #206 is an alternative proposal to repay victims in BTC, though through the indirection of BSQ and a 'Special Refund Agent' who works in conjunction with the Bisq 'Burning Man' role. While this proposal could work, it is more complex, and I believe this approach to pay directly in BTC from trading fees to be superior, with the benefits outweighing the downsides (of 'abusing' the filter mechanism and of putting control over these addresses in maintainers' hands).
The DAO will repay victims the USD value of funds lost at time of theftUPDATE 2020-04-19: Per #209 (comment), this section will be separated out and voted on in a subsequent proposal. This section is left here for context, but SHALL NOT BE BINDING if this proposal is approved. The "tracking mechanism" mentioned below SHALL BE DEVELOPED in any case, however.
Because the value of BTC can fluctuate significantly over time, it is not possible for the DAO to promise to repay victims the exact amount of BTC they lost. Given a significant increase in the value of BTC, it could become effectively impossible for the DAO to complete repayment. Likewise, should the price of BTC significantly decrease, victims would be repaid much less than the original value of their BTC at time of theft.Rather, the DAO will repay (in BTC, as described above) the USD value of the BTC lost at the time of theft, i.e. at the time the trade was taken. All affected trades were taken on either March 28th or April 7th 2020, when the average daily price was $6,223.50 and 7,309.78 respectively.The repayment tracking mechanism mentioned above will be developed such that the USD value of each payment made to each address is calculated according to the average daily price on the day the payment was made.
This means that the total amount of BTC paid to each address will differ from the original amount of BTC lost based on the BTC/USD value at the time of each payment.The DAO will repay victims as quickly as possible
The fastest way to repay victims according to the plan laid out above is to route them 100% of trading fees paid in BTC. More exact numbers need to be calculated, but current monthly revenues total between 20,000 and 30,000 USD worth of BTC and BSQ combined. BTC represents perhaps 40% of that figure, meaning that between 8,000 and 12,000 USD worth of BTC could be paid out to victims on a monthly basis. With a total of 235,831 USD worth of BTC having been lost, it would take between 20 and 30 months to repay victims at this rate. In any case, the amount of time repayment will take will be a function of both total trading volumes and the percentage of those trades that are paid for in BTC. Both numbers may change significantly over time.
UPDATE 2020-04-19: Per #209 (comment), the following paragraph will be separated out and voted on in a subsequent proposal. The paragraph is left here for context, but SHALL NOT BE BINDING if this proposal is approved.
As a protection to ensure that the DAO is able to continue operating, it will pay victims 100% of BTC trading fee revenues so long as that figure does not exceed 40% of total revenues.The DAO will adjust its budgets accordingly
With victim repayments coming directly from BTC trading fees, realized revenue will be that much lower and the DAO's internal budgeting will be adjusted to reflect this new reality. That is, we will "tighten our belt" accordingly so that we do not issue too much BSQ.
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