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USD/BTC Bisq Liquidity Week (26 Feb- 4 Mar) #36

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flix1 opened this issue Feb 1, 2018 · 5 comments
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USD/BTC Bisq Liquidity Week (26 Feb- 4 Mar) #36

flix1 opened this issue Feb 1, 2018 · 5 comments
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flix1 commented Feb 1, 2018

Learning Goal/Objective

Provide enough liquidity for the USD/BTC order book to bootstrap the market for organic growth. Lasting 1 week from February 26th-March 4th 2018.

Objective: 5 traders placing 10 offers on the USD/BTC order book for a week.

Hypothesis

If the experiment is successful, we predict to the total volume to grow by 30% compared to the previous week.

Experiment Design

Every participant on the experiment tries to keep two offers (1 buy, 1 sell ) open all the time to provide liquidity.

Bounty

Participants in the experiment who meet the above requirement (creating at least 2 offers during the week) will be rewarded with 20 $BSQ.

Resource Estimation and Probability

Low personal effort and High probability that it will succeed.

Results

- What happened?

Learnings

-What did we learn by running this experiment?

Action Items

- Another experiment for this goal?
- How do we progress from here on?

@flix1 flix1 changed the title USD/BTC Bisq Liquidity Week (Draft) USD/BTC Bisq Liquidity Week Feb 1, 2018
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flix1 commented Feb 3, 2018

If we manage to reach 10 offers permanently available in the BTC/USD order book during that week it will be a huge success.

For this we only need 5 participants to each place 2 offers.

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flix1 commented Feb 4, 2018

Possible additional payment method for US: VENMO https://venmo.com/

+ No chargebacks /payments cannot be cancelled
https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/235171088-Cancel-Payment

- Low limits
https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/221010968-Payment-Limits

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flix1 commented Feb 4, 2018

Possible additional payment method for US: Cash App https://cash.me/

+ No chargebacks /payments cannot be cancelled
https://squareup.com/help/us/en/article/5691

+Multi-currency

Limits see:
https://squareup.com/help/us/en/article/5505-send-and-request-money-with-cash-app

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cbeams commented Feb 19, 2018

I just did some further research on Cash App and Venmo, see my comments at bisq-network/bisq#1049 (comment) and bisq-network/bisq#1347 (comment), respectively.

In short, I think we need to tread very carefully here. @flix1, you mention cancellations above, but cancellations != chargebacks. Just because these platforms don't allow payers to initiate cancellations does not mean that payers can't file a dispute and end up clawing the funds back.

LocalBitcoins supports both of these payment methods, and many more, even PayPal, but the key difference between LB and Bisq is that LB has a reputation system. That's a strong defense against scammers, and with enough reputation, it's even a strong defense against long con scammers.

We have the Account Age Witness feature in Bisq, and it will automatically apply to Cash App and Venmo accounts, too, so that's something. But sellers have to know what they're getting into and need to really understand how that feature works. I don't think it provides anywhere near as strong the guarantees against scams as a proper reputation system does. Also, when 0.6.6 comes out, everybody is going to have account ages of zero. So it's not going to help anything for a while.

Thoughts? /cc @ManfredKarrer

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cbeams commented Mar 6, 2018

Closing as complete. @ripcurlx, if there's anything further you wanted to do here, please reopen.

With regard to market makers claiming a BSQ bounty, I'm not sure how we ever planned to track that. As far as I know, no one has attempted to claim this or said they were going to. In the future, I think we should leave market making as its own reward. People shouldn't need any more incentive to do it than what they can get out of it already. Happy to debate that further, but as far as I can tell, this added incentive didn't make a difference last week.

In any case, we blew past our expected 30% growth target. From https://twitter.com/bisq_network/status/970767755317215232:

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