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[FIX] Clarify that electrodes.tsv is optional for MEG, for use with simultaneous (i)EEG #1555

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Fixes #1550.

@effigies effigies added MEG Magnetoencephalography EEG Electroencephalography schema Issues related to the YAML schema representation of the specification. Patch version release. labels Jul 14, 2023
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I approve.

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Thanks @effigies!

Let's wait for further discussion based on my comment in:

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(placing this here as a visual block, as this is not yet ready IMHO)

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What do you think about this?

perhaps we should add a section about electrodes.tsv to the MEG section of the BIDS specification, and make corresponding schema adjustments.

I see that you have opted for not adding a new section and instead adding this information under Recording EEG simultaneously with MEG. I think I'd be fine with that as well.

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# Rules for MEG data that cannot be defined in tables
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MEGElectrodesRecommended:
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as outlined in #1550 (comment), I think this should be optional --> this electrode information can also be stored in _headshape.<ext> files or sometimes in the data file format itself (Elekta/Neuromag/MEGIN).

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If however EEG is recorded simultaneously **with the same MEG system**,
it MAY be stored under the `/meg` data type.
In that case, it SHOULD have the same sampling frequency as MEG (see `SamplingFrequency` field below).
Furthermore, the EEG sensor coordinates SHOULD be specified using MEG-specific coordinate
systems (see [coordinates section](#coordinate-system-json-_coordsystemjson) below and
Furthermore, EEG sensor coordinates SHOULD be recorded in an
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IMHO the SHOULD should become a MAY.

So far, the spec allowed for recording electrode positions in the _headshape: https://bids-specification.readthedocs.io/en/stable/glossary.html#headshape-suffixes

@effigies effigies changed the title [FIX] Clarify that electrodes.tsv is recommended for simultaneous MEG/EEG [FIX] Clarify that electrodes.tsv is optional for MEG, for use with simultaneous (i)EEG Aug 24, 2023
@effigies effigies merged commit 02d97b0 into bids-standard:master Aug 24, 2023
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