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Change: China Command Center door time from 3000 to 1500 ms #785

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@xezon xezon commented Jul 29, 2022

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This change reduces China Command Center door times. It equals USA Command Center door times.

Object DoorOpeningTime DoorWaitOpenTime DoorCloseTime
Original USA CC 1500 3000 1500
Original China CC 3000 3000 3000
Patched China CC (this) 1500 3000 1500

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This change achieves multiple things.

  1. Originally China Command Center door is 2 times slower than USA Command Center door. This means player needs to wait twice as long until Dozer spawns, after it shows completed in contruction queue. With the halved delay, this disadvantage over USA is removed.
  2. Consistency makes game simpler to anticipate and learn.
  3. This solves the issue where a chained Dozer construction glitches through the door (see first video below). This happens because Dozer spawns while door still closes. Originally DoorWaitOpenTime + DoorCloseTime equals 6 seconds, but Dozer construction is 5 seconds. So instead of 9 seconds, the second Dozer spawns in 6 seconds. With this change this bug no longer occurs and the second Dozer spawns in 6.5 seconds after the first one as one would expect.
Object First Dozer Spawn time Chained second Dozer spawn time
Original USA CC 6500 6500
Original China CC 8000 6000
Patched China CC (this) 6500 6500

Regardless of the fixed bug, this change is controversial, because all initial China build orders can be 1.5 seconds quicker than before. Helix can be 1.5 seconds quicker in the air. Tank from one Warfactory can be attacking 1.5 seconds earlier. This can potentially put too much pressure on USA and GLA. It needs to be closely monitored.

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china_cc_original.mp4

Patched

china_cc_patch.mp4

@xezon xezon added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial Major Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker labels Jul 29, 2022
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Jundiyy commented Jul 29, 2022

Yes, closely monitored for sure. It means everything is faster. Already mentioned it in the WF topic.

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xezon commented Jul 30, 2022

What we could do is increase China Dozer build time from 5 seconds to 5.5 or 6 seconds to reduce impact.

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ImTimK commented Jul 30, 2022

What we could do is increase China Dozer build time from 5 seconds to 5.5 or 6 seconds to reduce impact.

Well China Dozers are slow and clunky and need to drive all the way to supply unlike USA dozers, half a second buff might be justified. (Though new locomotor does improve this already?)

Anyone wants to playtest 1v1?

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What we could do is increase China Dozer build time from 5 seconds to 5.5 or 6 seconds to reduce impact.

6 seconds would be too much. A 1s build time increase translates to 2s without power, which would negate the 1.5s reduction and result in a 0.5s increase for the initial dozer.

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xezon commented Jul 30, 2022

5.5 would be ok then.

That way, without Power China Dozer builds 0.5 seconds faster than original and 1 second slower than USA.

And with Power China Dozer builds 1 seconds faster than original and 0.5 seconds slower than USA.

That way this change would not be as drastic, but would be a buff for China, but not as good as USA is. Sounds good?

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ImTimK commented Jul 30, 2022

5.5 would be ok then.

That way, without Power China Dozer builds 0.5 seconds faster than original and 1 second slower than USA.

And with Power China Dozer builds 1 seconds faster than original and 0.5 seconds slower than USA.

That way this change would not be as drastic, but would be a buff for China, but not as good as USA is. Sounds good?

Test normal time first?

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xezon commented Jul 30, 2022

Can do. Will be separate change after this.

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Jundiyy commented Jul 30, 2022

I think leave Dozer time for now, let's see how much of a difference the door makes.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the door-fix-china-cc branch from 7618a05 to c892d40 Compare July 30, 2022 14:29
@xezon xezon merged commit 5b88a28 into main Jul 30, 2022
@xezon xezon deleted the door-fix-china-cc branch July 30, 2022 14:30
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MTKing4 commented Aug 3, 2022

What we could do is increase China Dozer build time from 5 seconds to 5.5 or 6 seconds to reduce impact.

Well China Dozers are slow and clunky and need to drive all the way to supply unlike USA dozers, half a second buff might be justified. (Though new locomotor does improve this already?)

Anyone wants to playtest 1v1?

I could yeah, but I don't think it'll be much of a challenge since I'm way too slow :p

@xezon xezon added the Bug Something is not working right label Nov 2, 2022
@ImTimK ImTimK added China Affects China faction Buff Makes a thing more powerful labels Nov 6, 2022
@xezon xezon changed the title Change China Command Center door time from 3000 to 1500 ms Change: China Command Center door time from 3000 to 1500 ms Mar 19, 2023
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