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Change: Reduce XP reward for regular ground tanks by 30% #412

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@commy2 commy2 commented Sep 25, 2021

Fixes #395
Closes #779
Closes #780
Closes #781

Original

  • Tanks (Crusader, Paladin, Microwave, Battle Master, Marauder) grant 100% more experience than almost all other vehicles at 100 100 200 400
  • This especially snowballs when combined with Vet 2 (e.g. Elite Battle Master Training), because Vet 2 vehicles grant double the amount of experience, making it 4 times as much XP per kill.

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  • XP granted by killing regular Tanks is reduced by 30% to 70 70 140 280. This means that tank like units now grant only 40% more experience instead of 100% more experience when compared to other vehicles.

This change does not touch Overlords and Scorpion tanks. Scorpion tanks already only grant 20% more experience compared to other vehicles.

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In the following chart we see how many kills of different units it takes to reach a certain General Rank. Originally it would take 13 HERO tank kills to reach Rank 5. With this change it will take 18 HERO tank kills to reach Rank 5. The XP reward granted for these tanks is still significantly higher than light vehicles, long range vehicles and aircraft.

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Conclusion

The original kill rewards for tanks are high. Since tanks are typically not that difficult to take out with Rocket Soldiers, Long Range Vehicles and Aircraft, it appears unwarranted to award that much kill experience. A XP reduction by 30% is logical.

@commy2 commy2 added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial labels Sep 25, 2021
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Jundiyy commented Sep 25, 2021

This wasn't the proposed change, the change was just for Tank General since his tanks are used the most and so other Generals can easily rank up. This problem doesn't exist for the rest.

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commy2 commented Sep 25, 2021

I feel like the issue exists for all of these units, but is only apprent as Tank, because of Elite Training and the units you're pushed to use as that faction.

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Jundiyy commented Sep 25, 2021

I feel like the issue exists for all of these units, but is only apprent as Tank, because of Elite Training and the units you're pushed to use as that faction.

The xp isn't a problem for them units since the units are not used as often and not in a vet 2 state when trained, the reason it is felt by Tank is because they are the main units. Hence why it helps with a reduction for that general.

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Ageee it isnt an issue really for usa or other china factions.

specifically a problem for tank vet 2 battlemasters

@xezon xezon changed the title Change: XP Awarded By Killing Tank Like Units Change: Reduce XP reward for regular ground tanks by 30% Aug 2, 2022
@xezon xezon force-pushed the change-tank-xp-reward branch from ad58fac to e6f3331 Compare August 2, 2022 16:09
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xezon commented Aug 2, 2022

I added more information and stats to the opening post. I further tweaked tank XP reduction of 20% to 30%. This should solve most problems with tank kill experiences. Whether or not China Tank Battlemaster needs further adjustments is unclear to me, but this looks like reasonable starting point.

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ImTimK commented Sep 6, 2022

@Jundiyy

The xp isn't a problem for them units since the units are not used as often and not in a vet 2 state when trained, the reason it is felt by Tank is because they are the main units. Hence why it helps with a reduction for that general.

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Ageee it isnt an issue really for usa or other china factions.

specifically a problem for tank vet 2 battlemasters

It is an issue for other Tanks aswell, it makes Tank spam for all factions less valuable than Vet/Gat/Quad spam. Tanks give away 100% xp, it's a crazy punishment.

Here the stats for non-vetted units:

  • Vee/Gat/Quad 50xp
  • Scorp 60xp
  • All other Tanks 100xp

As can be seen Scorps don't have the same problem.

Tank spam generally isn't that great in ZH with the many hardcounters, reducing xp would be a nice buff without actually increasing their effectiveness in the field.

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xezon commented Sep 6, 2022

This change was merged into main branch. All tank kills reward 30% less experience accordingly.

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ImTimK commented Sep 6, 2022

That said, -20 or -25% might be safer to test first.

@xezon xezon added Buff Makes a thing more powerful USA Affects USA faction GLA Affects GLA faction China Affects China faction labels Jan 18, 2023
@xezon xezon added the Major Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker label Mar 18, 2023
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Killing Elite China Battlemaster grants a lot of XP
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