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Change: Increase armor of China Internet Center against Particle Cannon beams by 25% and Explosion attacks by 28.5% #1989

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@xezon xezon commented Jun 4, 2023

This change increases the armor of the China Internet Center against Particle Cannon beams by 25% and Explosion attacks by 28.5%.

With this change it is no longer possible to kill the pristine Internet Center and all its Hackers with a single weapon strike. The GLA Demo Scud Storm and GLA Demo Rebel Ambush can kill the pristine Internet Center, but will not be enough to kill the Hackers.

Internet Center armor against weapons not of PARTICLE_BEAM and EXPLOSION is unchanged.

Weapon Internet Center Damage Hackers killed
Original GLA Anthrax Gamma Scud Storm (1) 100% Yes (by the Anthrax)
USA Carpet Bomb + Lvl 2 A10 100% Yes
USA Lvl 1 Spectre + Lvl 2 A10 100% Yes
USA Lvl 2 Spectre + Lvl 1 A10 100% No
GLA Demo Scud Storm 100% No
GLA Lvl 3 Demo Rebel Ambush 100% No
USA Lvl 3 Spectre 99% No
USA Carpet Bomb + Lvl 1 Spectre 99% No
China Carpet Bomb + Lvl 2 Artillery 98% No
Patched GLA Anthrax Gamma Scud Storm 92% No
GLA Scud Storm 92% No
USA Lvl 3 A10 90% No
China Nuke Missile 85% No
USA Particle Cannon 85% No
USA Carpet Bomb + Lvl 1 A10 79% No
USA Lvl 1 Spectre + Lvl 1 A10 77% No
China Lvl 3 Artillery 76% No
USA Lvl 2 Spectre 72% No
USA Lvl 2 A10 61% No
China Lvl 2 Artillery 51% No
China Carpet Bomb 48% No
USA Carpet Bomb 48% No
USA Lvl 1 Spectre 47% No
USA Fuel Bomb 40% No
USA MOAB 40% No
USA Lvl 1 A10 31% No
China Lvl 1 Artillery 26% No

(1) See Patched GLA Anthrax Gamma Scud Storm for most relevant data.

Rationale

China Hackers are typically vulnerable when out in the open and are easy to kill with most weapons. The Internet Center is the only safe refuge for China Hackers, but it can be built just once and accommodate a maximum of 8 Hackers only. It costs 7500 to build the Internet Center and the 8 Hackers. Originally it can be taken out effortlessly with several single attack strikes, such as Super Weapons and some Generals Powers.

This change gives China better chances to protect 8 valuable Hackers in late game to secure a life line while the majority of China's Hackers will remain vulnerable out in the open. Enemy players now need to combine more weapons and strikes to take out the Internet Center and its Hackers.

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ImTimK commented Jun 5, 2023

What about Specter level 2 and 3?

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

Is the regular Level 5 Spectre different from Airforce Level 5 Spectre?

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ImTimK commented Jun 5, 2023

Yes, USA and Laser only have the standard level 1 Spectre, AFG and SWG have additional levels 2 and 3.

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commy2 commented Jun 5, 2023

vUSA and Laser Rank 5 Spectre lasts 15 seconds, while SWG and AFG Rank 3 Spectre 1 only lasts 10 seconds.

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commy2 commented Jun 5, 2023

type faction recharge time orbit time
Rank 3 Spectre 1 SWG, AFG 3 min 10 sec
Rank 3 Spectre 2 SWG, AFG 3 min 15 sec
Rank 3 Spectre 3 SWG, AFG 3 min 20 sec
Rank 5 Spectre USA, Laser 4 min 15 sec

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ImTimK commented Jun 5, 2023

Back to topic, shouldn't the threshold be at China Carpet Bomb + Lvl 2 Artillery? Doesn't it feel like an overbuff if it survives this combi power? Carpet isn't guaranteed to hit anyway. The Hackers should survive though.

I know this means Demo Scud and Ambush will kill the Hackers then, but I think it's ok, the Tox scud already does aswell. Also Level 3 Ambush is a massive tradeoff vs Cash Bounty and rarely chosen. Moreover, one can order the Rebels to shoot for a few seconds before detonating anyway with the current proposed model.

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

You had me hating there for a moment :D

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

Back to topic, shouldn't the threshold be at China Carpet Bomb + Lvl 2 Artillery? Doesn't it feel like an overbuff if it survives this combi power? Carpet isn't guaranteed to hit anyway. The Hackers should survive though.

I think it is fine. The Artillery is an unstoppable Power. So China can combine Nuke Missile and Artillery and it can't be stopped, while USA can combine Particle Cannon and A10 and it can be stopped.

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ImTimK commented Jun 5, 2023

Back to topic, shouldn't the threshold be at China Carpet Bomb + Lvl 2 Artillery? Doesn't it feel like an overbuff if it survives this combi power? Carpet isn't guaranteed to hit anyway. The Hackers should survive though.

I think it is fine. The Artillery is an unstoppable Power. So China can combine Nuke Missile and Artillery and it can't be stopped, while USA can combine Particle Cannon and A10 and it can be stopped.

USA can combine Particle with Spectre which is pretty much unstoppable. Or Aurora (hey we found another god target for it ^^).

Please add Spectre (+combinations) aswell so we have the full picture.

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

Let us ignore Aurora for now. Spectre is strong, but can be stopped with many defenses and units.

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

More stats added. It is odd that Fuel Bomb and MOAB deal that little damage. And Artillery is also oddly weak. They all deal EXPLOSION damage.

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ImTimK commented Jun 5, 2023

Let us ignore Aurora for now. Spectre is strong, but can be stopped with many defenses and units.

Emphasis on many :P

More stats added. It is odd that Fuel Bomb and MOAB deal that little damage. And Artillery is also oddly weak. They all deal EXPLOSION damage.

It's odd indeed, I noticed right away and was surprised.

Anyways, the proposed model is actually very close to Scud Storm Armor, which makes alot of sense. So perhaps this is close to the ideal setup then.

I only wish the Tox Scud didn't kill the IC+Hackers though, should theoretically be possible as the Demo Scud has more raw output?

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

Perhaps the Toxin Scud Storm should not deal more damage than regular Scud Storm?

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ImTimK commented Jun 5, 2023

To me it makes sense that the residue does more damage, but not the rockets themselves.

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xezon commented Jun 5, 2023

I put Scud Missile damage info here: #1992

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xezon commented Jun 10, 2023

Patched GLA Anthrax Gamma Scud Storm data added.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the tweak-internet-center-armor branch from d333096 to 837890d Compare June 20, 2023 16:27
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MTKing4 commented Jun 20, 2023

Looks good

Now we happy :D

…on beam by 25% and Explosion attacks by 28.5%
@xezon xezon force-pushed the tweak-internet-center-armor branch from 837890d to 2d01cc6 Compare June 22, 2023 15:26
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xezon commented Jun 22, 2023

Documentation added. Hackers are happy. Looks good.

@xezon xezon merged commit 1a93dfc into main Jun 22, 2023
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