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cr-Cans: use of U+202F as a morpheme separator #4

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eddieantonio opened this issue Jun 18, 2020 · 4 comments
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cr-Cans: use of U+202F as a morpheme separator #4

eddieantonio opened this issue Jun 18, 2020 · 4 comments
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i:punctuation_etc Phrase & section boundaries l:crk Plains Cree question Further information is requested

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@eddieantonio
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ᑖᓂᓯ! I work on making (Western) Cree syllabics more accessible on the web, and I can share my thoughts and experiences with you all. I'm not super sure how to do that, so I'm openning up this issue, and you can pester me about items labelled as "Needs Research".

One somewhat recent innovation in writing Cree syllabics is to use U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE as a morpheme separator. For example (see: https://crk-orthography.readthedocs.io/en/stable/#:~:text=Hyphens%20in%20Cree%20words).

This mirrors the hyphen's usage in the standard Roman orthography; e.g, ê-wâpamât is ᐁ ᐚᐸᒫᐟ in syllabics.

Why U+202F?

  • it should render as visually thinner than U+0020 — preferablly U+0020 is as wide a full syllabic character, such as ᐃ, and U+202F should render half as wide as U+0020
  • it should NOT be considered a space in word segmentation; indeed, using the Unicode Standard Annex #29§4.1 Default Word Boundary Specification, U+202F does not break words. IT also passes the "triple-click test"!
  • precedent set in Mongolian orthography
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r12a commented Jul 11, 2020

@eddieantonio Apologies for the late response. Seems i failed to set a watch on this repository, so i have just chanced on your comment now, by accident. Thanks for the information. I'll give it some consideration and get back to you.

@r12a r12a added i:fonts Fonts & font styles s:cher Cherokee i:punctuation_etc Phrase & section boundaries question Further information is requested s:cans Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics l:crk Plains Cree and removed i:fonts Fonts & font styles s:cher Cherokee labels May 3, 2023
@r12a r12a removed the s:cans Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics label May 23, 2023
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r12a commented Feb 13, 2024

Hello @eddieantonio. I just came across this issue again. NNBSP seems to work in all major browsers wrt preventing word breaks, but i noticed that the Noto UCAS fonts don't appear to have a glyph for NNBSP. I therefore just raised an issue at notofonts/canadian-aboriginal#7. Hope that helps.

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r12a commented Feb 14, 2024

And the fix is now in place in v2.004 of the Noto UCAS font. See https://typo.social/@[email protected]/111929394691370213

@eddieantonio unless there is something else, i propose we close this issue(?)

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Wonderful news! Yes, absolutely. 🎉

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