Use Nixie for chemical controller and whatever else I can #274

DrJeff · 2021-03-14T06:51:46Z

How do I use the nixie controller, how to get started?
@tagyoureit

tagyoureit · 2021-03-14T20:30:16Z

What do you want to measure and what equipment do/will you have to accomplish that?

The two most common are pH and ORP and Nixie + REM can also help you monitor pretty much all Atlas Scientific probes plus a few different temp sensors.

DrJeff · 2021-03-14T22:11:22Z

I have atlas PH and ORP embedded chips (cheap probes) temps are dallas dsb1820 but for the nixie I wanted to control my valves, (relays) pool fill, Heater, Aux pumps (spa pump, spa jets) I'm running two bodies of water that are separated (2 filters) but can be one (spa spillway). So I filter and run spillway but there is a set of valves that run the heater for pool only or spa only the purpose is so when we have parties the spa is heated and filtered independently and the pool is filtered and circulated independently. If I can just pass all the values from PH, ORP, Temps, Valve control from MQTT that will work because I have all this working with Esphome, Node Red, and Home Assistant but wanted a "Real" controller and my PH ORP needs better logic.

And I forgot Microbrite Color I currentlly use 5 of microbrites 3 pool, 1 waterfall, 1 spa. These are controlled by esphome with a relay board also have yard lights connected it. I did have a chlorine pump

tagyoureit · 2021-03-14T22:26:47Z

So your setup allows you to basically switch between a dual body system and a shared system? How many pumps do you have; assuming 2?

What reads directly from your Atlas probes now? Is it Atlas -> EspHome -> Node Red -> REM/njsPC?

Do you have your valves controlled by relays?

DrJeff · 2021-03-14T22:27:44Z

So your setup allows you to basically switch between a dual body system and a shared system? How many pumps do you have; assuming 2?

yes dual body and shared correct

3

What reads directly from your Atlas probes now? Is it Atlas -> EspHome -> Node Red -> REM/njsPC?

esphome

Do you have your valves controlled by relays?

yes esphome for now

DrJeff · 2021-03-14T22:33:23Z

I did order a tentacle but the reason I went with esphome was that my pi would overheat in the summer in a sealed box. but the microcontroller works fine at the extreme temperatures.

also above I forgot....
And I forgot Microbrite Color I currentlly use 5 of microbrites 3 pool, 1 waterfall, 1 spa. These are controlled by esphome with a relay board also have yard lights connected it. I did have a chlorine pump but using IC60 now so pump will be for Acid now

I also read pressure with a transducer to the esphome. So if I could just send raw data into something that works also. Thanks I got the temps updating in njspc now.

tagyoureit · 2021-03-15T15:58:58Z

Ultimately, you'll want to control everything through REM/Nixie. MQTT just isn't reliable enough for communications to control the pool equipment and monitor the sensors.

@rstrouse is driving some big changes to allow controlling the relay and also how we are configuring equipment.

In the meantime, I'd suggest firing up REM and trying to connect your existing sensors to it so we can understand what gaps are there. (dsb1820 needs to be added.)

You may also want to get an actively vented nema enclosure. I'm not sure if we'll be supporting esp8266 as a base system. Currently we support Pi, Beaglebone Black, and Orange Pi.

DrJeff · 2021-03-15T19:57:27Z

Yes I understand the use of REM but need to understand how to use Nixie I guess.
I can connect all the relays (Blower, spa spillover, waterfall, acid pump, chlorine pump, valve top, valve before heater, valve after heater, spa heater, fill line, solar valve, spa pump, spa jets, yard lights1, yard lights2, yard lights3, pool deep led, pool shallow led1, pool shallow led2, waterfall led, spa led)
I just saw that I can use my existing MCP23017 I2c I think for the relays through I2c! 😃

Can lightshows be controlled here also, I have the MicroBrites, and various yard lights LED on transformer currently using esphome for lighting.

Need to connect the temperature sensors dallas (spa_temp, air_temp, solar_temp, pool _temp)

The pressure transducer I think I see how via ADS1115 i2c?

I see how the EZO sensors (ORP, PH) connect to REM but not where I do the connection to njspc for setting the pump (acid on and off) and tank levels and such.

Now to tie it all together is where I'm lost. I use Home Assistant as the brains I guess, It decides what gets turned on based on temps, days, and physical actions. It also uses Node Red and Esphome for collection and distribution of it's logic.
So all this can be replaced with Nixie? I guess thats the question and How?

A little example of a small piece of the existing system

tagyoureit · 2021-03-17T03:00:01Z

Can lightshows be controlled here also, I have the MicroBrites, and various yard lights LED on transformer currently using esphome for lighting.

The manual says you can control Microbrites by setting them as Intellibrite, so yes, this should work.

I see how the EZO sensors (ORP, PH) connect to REM but not where I do the connection to njspc for setting the pump (acid on and off) and tank levels and such.

You need to add the following in your njsPC config.json in the interfaces section:

      "rem": {
        "name": "Relay Equipment Manager",
        "type": "rem",
        "enabled": true,
        "options": {
          "protocol": "http://",
          "host": "your.ip.address.001",
          "port": 8080,
          "headers": {
            "content-type": "application/json"
          }
        },

Then setup the controller in settings. Chemistry -> Add Controller -> Type (REM Chem).

DrJeff · 2021-03-17T03:59:51Z

The manual says you can control Microbrites by setting them as Intellibrite, so yes, this should work.

But how to add to the virtual controller they are just relays in REM

Cool didn't even notice the REM Chem! 😁 Thanks Really don't understand how to use/install Nixie

tagyoureit · 2021-03-17T04:39:24Z

The code today allows you to control pumps, circuits (pump speeds), and Intellichlor in a standalone manner.

Rem and Nixie act as a replacement for Intellichem or a home grown chemical controller.

We are working on allowing Nixie to be a full virtual controller that can replace IntelliTouch/EasyTouch/IntelliCenter but it isn't quite there yet. You'll need to be a little patient for that part.

DrJeff · 2021-03-17T04:41:53Z

You'll need to be a little patient for that part.

I get it now, Nixie is already doing its thing for now! 😀 Any reason you know why I keep killing RS485 dongles

tagyoureit · 2021-03-17T05:02:18Z

Any reason you know why I keep killing RS485 dongles

My best guess is either surges on the data line or incorrectly (or not) terminated lines. Could also happen if the host system has a power failure. It happens to me, too, and I haven't pinpointed why, either.

DrJeff · 2021-03-28T06:10:28Z

Trying to use REM Chemical controller with Intellichlor IC60 checked the box to use IC60 for ORP but not sure what and how to setup properly for the IC60 to turn on off automatically (IC60 100%?), Acid pump is working nicely 😀

johnny2678 · 2021-03-28T12:20:08Z

not sure what and how to setup properly for the IC60 to turn on off automatically (IC60 100%?)

I don't think this has been coded yet.

DrJeff · 2021-04-27T18:59:15Z

Ok I think this is a Nixie thing. I can't get my pump to operate with Nixie Dual Body here is the replay. No errors for pump but not turning on?
replay (9).zip

Something funky with the heaters also I think it's the Bodies distinction or better yet the Circuits if I set Body1 as Pool or Spa and Body2 as Pool or Spa I end up with both Bodies as Pool in circuits setup under the type. So the second circuit is always set type as Pool (hardcoded?).

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T01:37:15Z

Now I assume the watersensor1 is for body1 and watersensor2 is for body2
??
@rstrouse should i be putting these questions in
rstrouse/relayEquipmentManager#3

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T01:42:55Z

If you are configured as a dual body then this is definitely true. Watersensor1 will map to the first body and watersensor2 will map to body 2. Are you sure you are a dual body system or do they share a filter? You can have multiple pumps and a spillway where the intake and return valves will automatically rotate.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T01:44:31Z

I built it with dual body but I can share a heater and spillway

Two filters for parties!

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T01:45:36Z

Lots of valves (4) that lay dormant unless I want to use Gas Heater to heat pool

Does it mater which one is body1? Pool or Spa?

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T01:51:23Z

No you can assign it either way. However based on what you have described you have a shared system. I have valves that isolate the spa and water control is on a separate pump. There are two filters but a single chemistry system. I can set the valves in such a way to run the spillway or isolate the bodies. In the end the water is connected between them.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T01:57:01Z

Ok yes but the valves are set to stay in an isolated state. So I will re-setup as a shared body because you are correct sanitation is shared that is why I set a spillover event unless a party then the chlorinator is used to feed constantly to the spa but under daily it's shared body with SWG.

But my heater, and main pump wasn't working in the Dual body so I will try again in shared body

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T02:02:55Z

Yeah I’ll replicate that setup. For sure it should work with the pumps and heaters. Look at your plumbing because the Intake and Return valves are the key. These dictate where the water is drawn from and where it goes.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T02:04:25Z

Yeah I’ll replicate that setup. For sure it should work with the pumps and heaters. Look at your plumbing because the Intake and Return valves are the key. These dictate where the water is drawn from and where it goes.

Yes I get it Thanks

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T02:27:45Z

No that way wont work because it relies on one pump to share the bodies(due to sanitation/filtration), so if you turn on the spa you lose the pool circulation. My pool might be connected but it is treated as separate bodies and filters unless spillover is wanted or use of gas heater for the pool (next to never).

Also Intelliflo pump not working sets up but not operational (there is no Virtual button?, like the chlorinator but don't know if the chlorinator works unless the pump pushes some water :0 )

Maybe a little more context is needed there are 3 valves that stay in the same position that separate the 2 bodies of water. Then there is one valve that would be the return that acts like the spillover to the spa, this is the only valve that is changed any amount of time for the separate bodies.

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T03:22:36Z

Please make sure you have the latest from njsPC, dashPanel, and REM. There was an issue a couple of pushes ago where the heaters were being misreported.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T04:23:27Z

All updated and rechecked.
With Dual body heaters work fine, but the Intelliflo isn't working I can create but it has no comms?

, can't start low, med, high features to set pump at those speeds.

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T04:30:26Z

Hmmm. Write the log to a file then post the console. Not sure how there is a comms error with setting a feature.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T04:36:23Z

With capture my config was changed to Single body and lost setup??

replay10.zip

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T04:48:01Z

added Zip
replay10.zip

tagyoureit · 2021-04-28T06:04:28Z

The challenge here is that @DrJeff's pool is neither a shared body nor a dual body. A shared body can have intake/return valves and be in pool, spa or spillway mode. The dual body systems can operate two distinct sets of equipment.

The setup here can be either a shared body or a dual body (and maybe it's also a Transformer and can turn into Optimus Prime?).

DrJeff has pair of intake/returns in that it keeps the body separate or creates a spillway. Also, it sounds like one filter can be included/excluded on/off depending on bather load?

DrJeff - can you share a schematic/drawing of your pool bodies, valves, filters, etc? I think that would help.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T19:40:56Z

Oops! lost pump again stopped njspc, did a git pull then restarted njspc
replay14.zip

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T19:41:34Z

Alright so I looked at the light relay. You have an MCP23017 base relay correct? I checked out the mockup and I got the correct number of flashes for it. It should only send this when you change the theme by clicking on the palette icon and choosing a theme. Is that what you are doing?

Also is you uncheck show as feature then it will put those into the lights section.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T19:46:47Z

Alright so I looked at the light relay. You have an MCP23017 base relay correct?

Yes

I checked out the mockup and I got the correct number of flashes for it. It should only send this when you change the theme by clicking on the palette icon and choosing a theme. Is that what you are doing?

Yes, but doesn't change relays this is mocked up until functional

Also is you uncheck show as feature then it will put those into the lights section.

The Checkbox can be unchecked but when saved just rechecks

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T19:53:39Z

Can you take another look at the message manager for me related to the pumps? All indications are that this should be doing its thing.

As for the relay. I think it may just be too fast through the cycle for it. I'll add some delays for that relay type.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T19:56:56Z

Can you take another look at the message manager for me related to the pumps? All indications are that this should be doing its thing.

Nope it's blank and yes I selected the top right to start it

As for the relay. I think it may just be too fast through the cycle for it. I'll add some delays for that relay type.

Oh for this MCP20317 probably needs 1 sec delays long but thats what I was doing for the previous setup

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T20:01:44Z

Oh for this MCP20317 probably needs 1 sec delays long but thats what I was doing for the previous setup

Wow that is really slow. To set white that would mean 14 pairs + an on at the beginning and end so you would be looking at 30 seconds to change the theme. Holy yikes I thought 100ms on my setup was slow but it works.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T20:09:58Z

Oh for this MCP20317 probably needs 1 sec delays long but thats what I was doing for the previous setup

Wow that is really slow. To set white that would mean 14 pairs + an on at the beginning and end so you would be looking at 30 seconds to change the theme. Holy yikes I thought 100ms on my setup was slow but it works.

Yup I took it down to 250ms but had issues upped it to 750ms mostly stable but absolutely solid at 1000ms, the delay was ok because I don't do much change. let's do 500ms and try?

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T20:15:11Z

As for the pump thing I tried pulling the USB and it finds the connection but no messages are generated like earlier....

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T20:24:45Z

I'll add some code to allow you to do a cycle delay. That is horrible. My relay transitions are capable of around 500/sec but the lights themselves or the transformer isn't that quick.

Still, can't seem to replicate the pump refusal. In fact the message are indicating that it is attempting to make a run at the pump. Can you stop njspc and copy the poolState.json that I included here over your poolState.json.

poolState.zip

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T20:31:43Z

You da Man! That worked
What did you do?

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T20:38:21Z

I removed an artifact for the pump state that was created by the reload. Near as I can figure it seems that it didn't like an inactive pump state hanging out in there. I am hardening the code right now to make sure it cleans those up on failure.

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T21:25:05Z

Pull njspc and REM. I added the ability to add additional time to the relay for sequences. Don't forget to click on the save device after making your changes.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T21:25:25Z

Ok in your ways to fixing the pump is the chlorinator having the same id problem?

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T21:27:25Z

Maybe. Shoot me a screenshot of the chlorinator messages.

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T21:32:04Z

Thats the problem there is none

I need to swap the poolState.json each restart?
If not the pump stays off shows on last state in status

DrJeff · 2021-04-28T21:48:15Z

On restart this is what comes up if I don't reinstall that fixed poolState zip file

Stuck @ initializing
After adding the fixed poolState file

rstrouse · 2021-04-28T22:26:50Z

If it is stuck on initializing there has to be an error on the console. Can you try it and tell me what it is. I am working through the chlorinators to see what could be holding them up.

DrJeff · 2021-04-29T05:17:04Z

Pulled the new njspc and the chlorinator is functioning now, Nice! I still have to stop njspc and unzip the poolState you sent for the pump to work each time. Attached is the replay of it not working.
replay15.zip

DrJeff · 2021-04-29T17:05:34Z

The LEDs are still stumping me I just have REMs LED board connected on the bench for LEDs and I'm not getting the on/off action on changes of color or mode. For just manual ON or OFF once that works fine. If I create a group then I get the three buttons on the bottom of the color palette but if I choose those or any color njspc will crash and require a manual resurrection.
I don't think this is helpfull but this is what I get in pm2 logs after crash

1|poolCont |     at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
1|poolCont |     at MqttInterfaceBindings.bindEvent (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/web/interfaces/mqttInterface.ts:228:67)
1|poolCont |     at MqttInterfaceServer.emitToClients (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/web/Server.ts:860:27)
1|poolCont |     at WebServer.emitToClients (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/web/Server.ts:130:30)
1|poolCont |     at CircuitState.emitData (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/State.ts:490:55)
1|poolCont |     at CircuitState.emitEquipmentChange (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/State.ts:484:39)
1|poolCont |     at DirtyStateCollection.emitChanges (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/State.ts:632:20)
1|poolCont |     at State.emitEquipmentChanges (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/State.ts:235:74)
1|poolCont |     at Function.process (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/comms/messages/status/ChlorinatorStateMessage.ts:103:27)
1|poolCont |     at Inbound.process (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/comms/messages/Messages.ts:755:41)
1|poolCont |     at SendRecieveBuffer.processCompletedMessage (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/comms/Comms.ts:452:17)
1|poolCont |     at SendRecieveBuffer.processInbound (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/comms/Comms.ts:490:48)
1|poolCont |     at SendRecieveBuffer.processPackets (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/comms/Comms.ts:281:21)
1|poolCont |     at Timeout._onTimeout (/home/hass/nodejs-poolController/controller/comms/Comms.ts:254:109)
1|poolCont |     at listOnTimeout (internal/timers.js:554:17)

For a color change I see this but not actions happen

1|poolController  | [4/29/2021, 10:14:46 AM] debug: REM server request returned. PUT /state/device/i2c:1:7:1 {"isOn":true,"latch":10000} {"status":{"code":200,"message":"OK"},"data":"{\"id\":1,\"name\":\"Light #1\",\"enabled\":true,\"state\":true,\"tripTime\":1619716396902,\"initState\":\"off\",\"invert\":true,\"sequenceOnDelay\":1000,\"sequenceOffDelay\":1000,\"oldState\":true,\"latchDuration\":89378}","obj":{"id":1,"name":"Light #1","enabled":true,"state":true,"tripTime":1619716396902,"initState":"off","invert":true,"sequenceOnDelay":1000,"sequenceOffDelay":1000,"oldState":true,"latchDuration":89378}}

DrJeff · 2021-04-29T17:43:00Z

@rstrouse
Looks like it's only reading the commands in REM not writing the commands on changes to color or mode

1|REM  | setDeviceState: i2c:1:7:1 - {"isOn":true,"latch":10000}
1|REM  | info: Setting device state [object Object]
1|REM  | debug: Executed read command 0x12 byte read:0xfe
1|REM  | debug: Executed read command 0x12 byte read:0xfe
1|REM  | verbose: 192.168.0.179 PUT /state/device/i2c:1:6:13 {"isOn":true,"latch":10000}
1|REM  | info: [10:31:39 AM] 192.168.0.179 PUT /state/device/i2c:1:6:13 {"isOn":true,"latch":10000}

compared to

1|REM  | setDeviceState: i2c:1:7:1 - {"isOn":true,"latch":10000}
1|REM  | info: Setting device state [object Object]
1|REM  | debug: Executed read command 0x12 byte read:0xff
1|REM  | debug: Executed read command 0x12 byte read:0xff
1|REM  | debug: Executed read command 0x12 byte read:0xff
1|REM  | debug: Executed read command 0x13 byte read:0xef
1|REM  | debug: Executed send command 0x14 0xfe  bytes written:2
1|REM  | silly: Setting Dirty... true 2450
1|REM  | silly: Setting Dirty... true 2450
1|REM  | info: Processing socket event circuit
1|REM  | verbose: 192.168.0.179 PUT /state/device/i2c:1:7:1 {"isOn":true,"latch":10000}
1|REM  | info: [10:38:59 AM] 192.168.0.179 PUT /state/device/i2c:1:7:1 {"isOn":true,"latch":10000}

rstrouse · 2021-04-30T00:20:37Z

This is only working with single circuits assigned as color changing and does not work for grouped circuits yet. Groups are going to take some work as we need to be able to make a distinction between circuits that we control and those that belong to another controller.

Now that being said how are you changing colors? You should be clicking on the palette icon.

Then choose a theme from the popup which will send the appropriate commands to REM.

DrJeff · 2021-04-30T05:25:08Z

Yes thats what I have been trying to do, exactly like you posted my palette is black not white I don't know if thats a problem. I did delete the groups and still no joy on the single lights.

rstrouse · 2021-04-30T17:12:16Z

Yeah the groups just wont send the sequence. However, when we figure this out it will be one of those moments. I know you have these selected as IntelliBrite which is what determines whether the theme can be set. I also know you are clicking on the right things in dashPanel. From there njspc should send a sequence array to REM.

Basically you should see the following in the REM console when you do this.

Just for kicks lets make sure all 3 projects have been updated and restarted.

DrJeff · 2021-05-01T05:12:44Z

Ok made sure I was up to date on all three projects, and restarted all three still don't get what you showed above. This is low priority I have the lights working via Home Assistant and Node Red. Even synced lights. I'm not sure how to translate the starting and stoping of the transformer here anyways. I have it so when any of the lights call for power the transformer is turned on and stays on with a cool down period before it shuts off. So that if you turn on spa lights then maybe turn off then within a few minutes turn on another light the transformer is ready then after the cool down period expires it would shutdown the transformer also necessary so that color changes/modes doesn't kill the power.

rstrouse · 2021-05-01T15:00:08Z

What transformers are you using and how many lights are attached to each? I run a pretty extensive DMX light show in the backyard. Unfortunately, the pool lights are IntelliBrite so they aren't responsive like all the other fixtures. One day I am going to build a DMX decoder for those lights and poke it into the fixture.

DrJeff · 2021-05-01T21:00:41Z

I don't know the brand but it's a beast. Three transformers in the main box and they are large I've had it for years running just the yard lights. But i swapped the Fiberstars fiber optics for the MicroBrites in the pool, spa, and waterfall.

I don't use DMX but do LED with WLED throughout my house and Yard

rstrouse · 2021-05-01T21:26:50Z

Yeah I have local decoders and PAR fixtures (28 of them) strewn throughout the yard. There is also a sound to light processor that is hooked into the sound system that does full on concert music effects. Unfortunately, that unit locks up if it isn't getting a constant feed so I find myself rebooting it when I want the sound processor active (I think it doesn't like a floating ground). But I power the architectural side wit a 2 universe Nicolaudie Stick DE3. I have it run searchlight effects, color rainbows and chases all over the yard. Combine that with the fire features and it looks like Vegas!

DrJeff · 2021-05-01T21:33:47Z

Sounds very Nice! especially after seeing your Controller Box beautiful setup!!

tagyoureit · 2021-06-16T04:19:28Z

We're making good progress here... open any new issues if anything crops up.

tagyoureit closed this as completed Jun 16, 2021

Use Nixie for chemical controller and whatever else I can #274

Use Nixie for chemical controller and whatever else I can #274

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