Partial patch loading (choose which scene from patch to load)

[oeai]

i'd like to change B scene with patch browser, when B is selected.

Now patch browser works only for A section and when you switch to B - it is always init0, so you have to find one patch - copy scene, then find next patch and paste previous patch scene to B.
I think that it is easier to just switch scenes and browse patches for each part then switch dual\split to hear thow it works.

[baconpaul]

Hi!

So I know exactly what you mean but it’s sort of not how surge works; we’ve talked about a variant before (and I thought it was a github issue but seems its not) so let me add that here.

A patch in surge contains both the A and B scene. For instance check out the “Lead with a bell attack” patch in MPE. So when you select scene B and open a patch, what it does is replace A with that patches A and B with that patches B.

The reason I think though you thought it did something else was that only about 5% of the factory patches use both scenes. So that gives you an implied behavior that “the patch loads in A and nothing loads in B” as opposed to what’s actually happening which is “the patch loads in A and B and this patch contains nothing in B”.

So the trick with loading “a patch in B” is there are a few shared things between scenes - namely the effects. The idea we discussed - which I think is the same thing you are thinking about - is if you are in Scene B you can load a patch either “into surge” (in which case you get the A and B and FX) or you can load “that patches A into my B” in which case that new patch scene A and scene A FX load into B, but the master FX, the sends, and the scene B from that patch are ignored.

Like I said we had chatted about that - I guess we talked on slack and didn’t make an issue - and your comment reminds me we should document it. But I also wanted to explain the current behavior for you!

Best

[oeai]

well i just want to get a more complex (fat) sound - i can try to make some changes with existing patch or i can find some additional sound with another patch, but i need to hear changes and i have to load another patch and copy previous. Maybe some "lock&load" button can help, so if i press it - it will not change A + FX or will not load\reset B patch.
But well if you've discussed before maybe you just have some better solution i guess.
Thanks.

[baconpaul]

Oh I think you mis understood my comment! Your idea is a good one, and we have no solution! Other than one basically like what you are imagining, which we had discussed. But which we haven’t coded! I was just trying to explain why nothing ever loads into B for you.

Partial patch load, patch compare, scene lock, load patch into B, undo, all those things would be fantastic, as would tackling a randomizer (where we do have an issue). It’s a good idea. But not one anyone is working on today.

Are you a C++ dev? If you would be interested in tackling any of these I would be happy to help get you oriented. Fine if not of course! But figured I would offer!

Thanks

[oeai]

i'm better with other no-coding stuff, it was java\c# years ago, so i don't know C++ really, but thanks.

[baconpaul]

OK figured I’d ask!

I am thinking about this one - and especially if I get #1413 done having a subset of this (which is a ‘load that patches A into my B’) may be super useful so let me link them. Obvious way to do that is to have the Scene B button RMB have a ‘load other patch scene A’ menu which opens the patch browser menu. Keep an eye on this issue - if i do it I’ll comment here.

[oeai]

ok, thanks