More than 3 oscillators

[Godly75]

Is your feature request related to a problem?
Having 3 Osc is not enough these days. As the computer power is growing, so should synth limitations. Maybe add at least 8 osc to start. It's needed for a complex modern synth.
I use vps Avenger allot and mainly with 6 to 8 osc with layers on them.

Describe the solution you'd like
Just add the numbers to the osc screen

[baconpaul]

Hi!

If you use both scenes you can get 6 today. Just making sure you know that!

[baconpaul]

Oh and as well as the oscillator screen we would need to add it to the FM matrix and the mixer. So requires some UI space which we are lacking. And add it to all the dsp code too... So some flex we don't have in the codebase today would be an unfortunate pre-requisite of this. (But like I said - you can totally have 6 running now with scene in dual mode - I do that quite a lot actually!)

[mortfell]

It would probably be cool to have more oscillators down the line!
In the case of Surge, Make sure you are taking advantage of the ring modulator modes, Filter Feedback, FM2 and FM3 oscillators and FM routing! They allow for a ton of complexity with only a couple oscillators running.

Surge has 6 normal oscillators between it's two scenes as @baconpaul mentioned above. But it also has a dedicated noise oscillator for both scenes so 8 if you count that. AND The "classic" oscillator modes "saw/square" also have a sub option to add in a sub octave.

[baconpaul]

Oh plus the wt and classic operators all have detuned unison modes too!

[Godly75]

Ok didn't know that it already has 6 layers.
This will come in handy when it's possible to play samples.

[baconpaul]

2 layers 3osc + 1 noise per layer
With the nightly if you drag a non tagged wave into the oscillator you get a rudimentary one shot playback now by the way. Small wav only and it is not a sampler but may be of use for attacks

[baconpaul]

Link this to #1117

[hems]

I find having too many oscillators per layer can potentially be a problem, stacking 2 layers inside of Surge or "2 tracks" inside of the DAW seems a bit more manageable and healthy.

Also we don't want extra DSP power to be used out of the box as being super light is one of special things in Surge

[baconpaul]

If we want to do 6 op fm we need a bigger stack though right?

[baconpaul]

Oh also muted oscillators are zero cpu otherwise I would definitely share your cpu concern!

[hems]

Oh also muted oscillators are zero cpu otherwise I would definitely share your cpu concern!

oh that's awesome I didn't know MUTE is zero CPU

[hems]

If we want to do 6 op fm we need a bigger stack though right?

I didn't know it was in the plan to have a 6 OP fm matrix ( that would be so sick, like a DX killer )...

having a MATRIX like FM8 has would be ultra sick

[baconpaul]

Yeah that’s the plan. A 5 wide upper triangular knob bank

[baconpaul]

Oh also muted oscillators are zero cpu otherwise I would definitely share your cpu concern!

oh that's awesome I didn't know MUTE is zero CPU

Well technically it would be 3 more ifs. So not zero cpu but that's at block time not sample time so it is functionally free to add 3 more branches per block.

[hems]

Yeah that’s the plan. A 5 wide upper triangular knob bank

i suspect you seen the FM8 mod matrix?

it can also feedback like this:

[baconpaul]

yes.
the feedback is something we are still thinking about. and there's some efficiency to be had by being upstream only. so still something in progress. But this is all over on #1031

[mkruselj]

It very likely will not be a full 6x6 matrix, but just a half-matrix. It gets really really really complicated otherwise. It will still be way more flexible vs how it is today in Surge.