diff --git a/include/pybind11/detail/internals.h b/include/pybind11/detail/internals.h
index a9136fa8ef..e2c94ea963 100644
--- a/include/pybind11/detail/internals.h
+++ b/include/pybind11/detail/internals.h
@@ -34,8 +34,9 @@
 /// further ABI-incompatible changes may be made before the ABI is officially
 /// changed to the new version.
 #ifndef PYBIND11_INTERNALS_VERSION
-#    if PY_VERSION_HEX >= 0x030C0000
+#    if PY_VERSION_HEX >= 0x030C0000 || defined(_MSC_VER)
 // Version bump for Python 3.12+, before first 3.12 beta release.
+// Version bump for MSVC piggy-backed on PR #4779. See comments there.
 #        define PYBIND11_INTERNALS_VERSION 5
 #    else
 #        define PYBIND11_INTERNALS_VERSION 4