diff --git a/src/kaleido/py/kaleido/scopes/base.py b/src/kaleido/py/kaleido/scopes/base.py
index dc7d9fe5..d64c0828 100755
--- a/src/kaleido/py/kaleido/scopes/base.py
+++ b/src/kaleido/py/kaleido/scopes/base.py
@@ -49,6 +49,7 @@ def __init__(
             self,
             disable_gpu=True,
             chromium_args=True,
+            stderr=subprocess.DEVNULL,
     ):
         if chromium_args is True:
             chromium_args = self.default_chromium_args()
@@ -61,15 +62,13 @@ def __init__(
             chromium_args = [arg for arg in chromium_args if arg != "--disable-gpu"]
 
         self._chromium_args = tuple(chromium_args)
-
+        # Communication stuff, everything above was picking args
         # Internal Properties
-        self._std_error = io.BytesIO()
-        self._std_error_thread = None
         self._proc = None
         self._proc_lock = Lock()
 
     def __del__(self):
-        self._shutdown_kaleido()
+        self._shutdown_kaleido() # i honestly dont know when this called or what this does
 
     @classmethod
     def executable_path(cls):
@@ -138,27 +137,12 @@ def _build_proc_args(self):
 
         return proc_args
 
-    def _collect_standard_error(self):
-        """
-        Write standard-error of subprocess to the _std_error StringIO buffer.
-        Intended to be called once in a background thread
-        """
-        while True:
-            # Usually there should aways be a process
-            if self._proc is not None:
-                val = self._proc.stderr.readline()
-                self._std_error.write(val)
-            else:
-                # Due to concurrency the process may be killed while this loop is still running
-                # in this case break the loop
-                return
-
     def _ensure_kaleido(self):
         """
         Launch the kaleido subprocess if it is not already running and in a good state
         """
         # Use double-check locking to make sure we only initialize the process
-        # from a single thread
+        # from a single thread # we are only initializing it from one thread.
         if self._proc is None or self._proc.poll() is not None:
             with self._proc_lock:
                 if self._proc is None or self._proc.poll() is not None:
@@ -166,9 +150,6 @@ def _ensure_kaleido(self):
                     if self._proc is not None:
                         self._proc.wait()
 
-                    # Reset _std_error buffer
-                    self._std_error = io.BytesIO()
-
                     # Launch kaleido subprocess
                     # Note: shell=True seems to be needed on Windows to handle executable path with
                     # spaces.  The subprocess.Popen docs makes it sound like this shouldn't be
@@ -178,16 +159,10 @@ def _ensure_kaleido(self):
                         proc_args,
                         stdin=subprocess.PIPE,
                         stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
-                        stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
+                        stderr=stderr,
                         shell=sys.platform == "win32"
                     )
 
-                    # Set up thread to asynchronously collect standard error stream
-                    if self._std_error_thread is None or not self._std_error_thread.is_alive():
-                        self._std_error_thread = Thread(target=self._collect_standard_error)
-                        self._std_error_thread.daemon = True
-                        self._std_error_thread.start()
-
                     # Read startup message and check for errors
                     startup_response_string = self._proc.stdout.readline().decode('utf-8')
                     if not startup_response_string:
@@ -202,29 +177,6 @@ def _ensure_kaleido(self):
                             self._proc.wait()
                             raise ValueError(startup_response.get("message", "Failed to start Kaleido subprocess"))
 
-    def _get_decoded_std_error(self):
-        """
-        Attempt to decode standard error bytes stream to a string
-        """
-        std_err_str = None
-        try:
-            encoding = sys.stderr.encoding
-            std_err_str = self._std_error.getvalue().decode(encoding)
-        except Exception:
-            pass
-
-        if std_err_str is None:
-            try:
-                encoding = locale.getpreferredencoding(False)
-                std_err_str = self._std_error.getvalue().decode(encoding)
-            except Exception:
-                pass
-
-        if std_err_str is None:
-            std_err_str = "Failed to decode Chromium's standard error stream"
-
-        return std_err_str
-
     def _shutdown_kaleido(self):
         """
         Shut down the kaleido subprocess, if any, and self the _proc property to None