RFC: Proposal to burn 400M RING from Darwinia on-chain treasury. #1458
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This is definitely an interesting idea as right now the treasury spend is minimal and there it a very large amount of value held by the treasury. Some sort of management does need to implemented. Currently the treasury brings in a minimum of 7.635M RING every month and that will increase each year as emissions increase for the next 10 years which will continue to lead to growth if the treasury is as under-utilized as it is now. Based on that I would like to suggest a different approach.
I feel the steps above will keep a healthy treasury that still can fund activities over time will not growing overly large again while also adding an ecosystem fund would be helpful to attract developers to use Darwinia's technology. Maybe some of the ecosystem fund could be delegated to active governance members that are trustworthy so voting doesn't fall as much back to the team. |
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I warmly welcome burning of 400M Ring tokens. Although burning tokens from treasury can be a shot in the leg(as treasury is giving up a lot of income) I think Ring high inflation excuses such decision. I find this to have positive outcome for:
I also welcome Jesse's idea of ecosystem fund I think we can start a new thread and ask for funds from the treasury(it will still have well over 400M Ring). I think this ecosystem fund can grow slowly in value with more traction it attracts so we don't burden the treasury with one time ammount. |
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Not a very detailed reply but I love this idea. |
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I support burning of 400M RING as it brings huge potential benefits for token holders, governance, and the darwinia ecosystem. |
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Whenever I hear a “Burn”, all I can think of is an increase in price/ value. If this will help manage and reduce the level of risk of funds in the treasury, it's all good. Other opinions like that of Jesse can be considered too. |
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Can't agree more about the burning plan,which will bring huge positive effect on the project.and meanwhile the dev should focus more on leading Darwinian into new hot developing areas instead of struggling on the polkadot platform. |
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TL;DR: Fundamentally opposed to burning. Agree with proposed dApp/project development platform (200M). Consider using 200M to port/restart Evolution Land for visibility and use case as GameFi is big. Fundamentally opposed to burning 400M tokens. There is absolutely no guarantee that burning 400M RING will increase value/price - in fact, it likely will have no impact at all other than wasting $2M USD that could be better utilized (as partially proposed). This has been pretty well established, and burning only works in very specific cases. Things that do drive a projects' (and its associated token) value: visibility and use cases. @2xJDubs idea of an ecosystem fund is a very good one. I'd also recommend the following (if possible): -Port Evolution Land to Darwinia and restart development. GameFi (or however you wish to refer to it) is already big, and is just going to get bigger. This would be great for visibility and showcasing, and I enjoyed the game (and I recall many others enjoying it) Simply throwing away resources doesn't seem prudent. |
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Of course, full support for burning 400M $ring. Also, this prompted me to suggest something about Max Supply, which according to CoinGecko is 10B. Also, I assume that there will always be a need for some inflation due to the staking mechanism? (even after those 40, 100 or whatever many years). If this amount is no longer accurate, relevant, I would suggest getting off Coingecko as it just scares people. But as I wrote, what would happen when there are 10B coins? How will staking take place? Where will the staking rewards come from? But this may be off-topic and an occasion for a new discussion on a post specially opened for this. |
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totally for the burn especially if the treasury always receives 60% of the tokens engraved each year, this will clean up the unused treasury and avoid unnecessary or incorrect expenses. funds flow more intuitively towards promising or essential projects when there are fewer of them. |
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I would recommend looking for ways to generate revenue from these Darwinia Treasury assets while maintaining governance control over the tokens. (POL or I like to call it Treasury Owned Liquidity) Specifically single-sided deposits into protocols using Darwinia's XCM sibling accts on each chain. That's already starting with DCDAO ref 2 deposit into the HydraDX Omnipool of 25M ($125k). Once that operation is complete and Darwinia community gains confidence in Omnipool deposits, I would recommend increasing it to 200M RING or $1M. Interlay and Astar are already moving that way. The other TOL opportunity I've noticed is deposits into lending markets. Interlay has a money market and Hydra and Bifrost are launching one soon. Deep DEX liquidity depth is critical to enabling a larger useful lending market for each token. $1M of RING DEX depth would support a lending pool depth of $500k. Then Darwinia Treasury could deposit $100k-200k into any RING lending market and earn fees from borrowers. So just keep this in mind as a possible use for 320M RING (200M to Omnipool, 40M into lending market on Interlay, HydraDX, Bifrost). https://twitter.com/spazvt/status/1770665346933964920?t=3R197CvutxStxl_-dWSvlQ&s=19 |
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Good initiative to burn the tokens but I dont think its necessary. Call it the good old dilemma of anything that is proposed, there will always be an opposite opinion. Dropping in some question and suggestions below. Question #1. Suggestions: #2 |
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The proposal to burn 400 million RING tokens from Darwinia's on-chain treasury addresses several critical points regarding the token economy and governance of the Darwinia network. Let's dissect the proposal for clarity and understanding:
Treasury Size and Governance Risks:
The Darwinia treasury currently holds over 800 million RING tokens, constituting a significant portion of the total token supply. Such a large treasury could pose management and governance risks if the existing mechanisms and practices for governance are not effective. The proposal suggests that burning 400 million tokens would mitigate some of these risks by reducing the treasury size to a more manageable level.
Sustainable Treasury Inflows:
Even after the proposed burn, the treasury will continue to receive 60% of new issuances each year. This rate is deemed sufficient to support community and ecosystem proposals. The continuous inflow ensures the treasury remains funded for its intended purposes without being excessively large.
Incentivizing the Community:
Burning a portion of the treasury tokens can serve as a significant incentive for the existing token holders. It shows a commitment to managing the token supply proactively, which can stimulate community enthusiasm. Token holders may perceive this action as beneficial to their interests, leading to increased engagement and participation in the ecosystem.
Combating Inflationary Pressures:
The proposal also addresses the issue of high inflation within the Darwinia ecosystem. By reducing the total supply through a burn, it counteracts the dilutive effects of inflation on token value. This action can help maintain or increase the perceived value of Darwinia's ecosystem investments, encouraging continued or even increased investment and involvement despite the inflationary pressures.
In summary, the proposal to burn 400 million RING tokens from the on-chain treasury is aimed at improving the governance structure, incentivizing community participation, and combating inflationary pressures within the Darwinia network. This approach suggests a strategic move to balance the token economy, support sustainable development of the ecosystem, and enhance overall confidence in the governance practices of the network.
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