Dedicated locale/region option

[georgehrke]

There should be a dedicated option for choosing the locale independent from the language.

There is a common use case, that people want to use software in english, but they don't want MM/DD/YYYY or a weekstart on Monday.

In iOS you can just choose a different language and locale:

cc @jancborchardt

[jancborchardt]

Yes, and that region format should be used by the Calendar, instead of having its own settings. :)

[georgehrke]

The calendar uses the language at the moment 🙈
We already ditched the checkbox for 12/24 and start of week for good.

[jancborchardt]

Ah right, awesome! :)

[georgehrke]

@jancborchardt What are your requirements for this feature? :)

What is the region dropdown going to look like?
A list of all countries?

[adsworth]

For reference this is what the dialog looks like in GNOME.

and both are basically a list of a locales available on the system.

[georgehrke]

moment.locales() gives a list of all available locales in moment.js

["en", "af", "ar-ly", "ar-ma", "ar-sa", "ar-tn", "ar", "az", "be", "bg", "bn",  ...]

We just need to map the array elements:

en => United States (english)
de => Germany (german)
de-at => Austria (german)

We probably want to filter the list though. It contains as much as 107 elements.

[jancborchardt]

Exactly, it should be directly together with the language dropdown, and default to the same as the language.

[skjnldsv]

Youhou!! :D
Also: why not have an option for h24 and monday? I think it would be easier to understand that choosing a locale (since even around me people uses different way to say the date/time)

[georgehrke]

@adsworth Do you want to work on this? :)

[adsworth]

Yeah, I would like to work on this. I'll need some help pointers concerning Javascript and how it all works together on the server side. But I guess I can get that in the IC dev channel.

Also I can't really give at time line. If that's OK then I'll assign it to me.

[ralin3]

Can someone please confirm or deny whether this will end up being user selectable "somehow"?
NC12 lost en_GB, so I have no option to have english language, 24h clock and weekday starting on monday.

The comment made by @jancborchardt makes me think that this will not be a user selectable option, rather force users to select a language that has the needed options, instead of providing sane defaults (detected based on users language) which can be overridden.

[georgehrke]

@ralin3 Every user will have a new region input below the language input in the personal settings.

[founderio]

Will there be an option for ISO dates? (2017-01-01 ...)

Right now, I have the option of using US format (for me, German, that is just a weird format.)
The other language that I understand is German - with weeks beginning on Monday and Clock in 24h format. But I dislike our date format. (And I do not use German software translation.. Too many incomplete or weird translations out there...)

I guess there will always be "the odd person" who is not keen on their own country's date formatting.

For reference, Jira allows overriding the date formats to a completely custom one:

[georgehrke]

As far as I can tell there is no way to tell moment.js to use ISO as a locale, so probably not.

But I dislike our date format.

Out of curiosity, what do you dislike about it?

For reference, Jira allows overriding the date formats to a completely custom one:

I'm sorry, but that's a completely overkill. It might benefit a small share of users, but vastly increases code complexity and clutters the interface with even more inputs. That will have a negative result on general user experience.

[MorrisJobke]

Fixed with #5623

[jkelly99]

I would also like to put my vote in for 24 h clock settings and Monday start of week without needing to change locale settings. I am in the US and work in a medical setting. We use US date format, 24 hr clock, and Monday start of week.

[dugganjl]

I would also prefer to have date, time, and start-of-week settings independent of the Locale setting.
I'd like to be able to set a 24 hour clock, yyyy-mm-dd, and Monday as start-of-week.

[telmich]

Hello! This issue seems to be closed on github, however I don't see how I can select 24h, Monday week start or iso format anywhere in nextcloud 16.0.8. Am I just blind or is it not there?

[jkelly99]

My workaround is setting my local as English(Ireland). That gets you 24 hr clock with Monday week start. Stuck with European date format, but I can live with that.

[haarp]

I don't understand what got merged here, but it's still impossible to select ISO-8601 (yyyy-mm-dd) date formats, 24h time, week starting monday, English strings in NC 19.0.4. Is there another issue that I missed?

[haarp]

Ok, I've just opened #24134 which, once fixed, should finally give us English ISO-8601.

[remram44]

Can we just have separate settings for that instead of making people use en_DK? Are we sure there is a locale that use 24h for each language that Nextcloud supports, or do we only care about English?

[Fuseteam]

agreed can we just have independent options? how do i figure out how to get 24hours, dd/mm/yyyy date format and weeks that start on mondays? feels like i have to test all the locales one by one.......

[davralin]

In latest NC20, one can select the language and locale independently.

I have both english language, and Norwegian locale - giving me:

16.12.2020 13:29:22
Week starts on Monday

as date-format, and all the text in english.

[Fuseteam]

@davralin cool thanks that's rather close to what i want, i would rather have / instead of . for example
that said i'll probably switch the norwegian locale for the time being

[Fuseteam]

actually nevermind that turns it into this

[davralin]

Indeed, that's weird, from my activity-feed:

You moved 12 to 2020     5 dager siden

First part is english, second part is norwegian.

[jm355]

Has anyone found a way to fix this?

[didli]

8 years and still no way to start the week on monday but keep an english locale ?
Did I miss something please ?
EDIT : Nevermind. Choosing English (British English) as a workaround will do for now. I don't mind the date format.