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set up accrual accounting #308
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What is accruel? Can it be simplified? We need a system to do accounting, right? |
There are two kinds of accounting: cash (simple) and accrual (robust). We've been using cash accounting so far. Accrual accounting is more powerful but more complex. |
I really bad at reading that accounting terminology. Found this https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-finance/accounting-and-financial-stateme/cash-accrual-accounting/v/accrual-basis-of-accounting |
Looks like a problem with cash accounting is that cash doesn't have tags. So you can't track what money is for what, what are debts, what are payments in advance, for which demands. It looks like you just mix all stuff in and can only track income and expenses at certain intervals. I see why it is mostly useless. =) |
I've linked our PNC account and our PayPal account. |
Alright, this is getting interesting. I've been reconciling our PNC account with Xero, and I've been handling the influx of money from PayPal as a transfer from a PayPal account to a bank account. But when I get to reconciling our PayPal account in Xero, what am I going to do with the influxes of money from Gratipay? One option might be to add Gratipay as a "bank account" so that I can handle it as a transfer: In that case, Gratipay would export a feed that Xero could consume, and we'd reconcile transactions within Xero just like with any other bank (or PayPal) account. Depending on how someone was using Gratipay, they'd have income and expense transactions, eventually including payroll expense. We've been talking about Gratipay vis-a-vis banks (with reference to PayPal) over at gratipay/gratipay.com#1383 (comment). Xero also has a "payment services" feature under their invoice template settings, and it includes a "custom URL" option: This assumes that the business is invoicing customers up front and wants to include options to pay on the invoice. Gratipay implements self-billed, pay-what-you-want invoicing, so the model doesn't quite fit. Xero does have a guide on handling payment processor receipts, but even then, Gratipay isn't a simple payment processor, because of a) payroll, and b) receiving and giving in the same cycle. If The Enterprise receives $1,000 on Gratipay, gives $100, and distributes $800 in payroll, then their PayPal account will only see $100, but they need to report $1,000 in income and $900 in expenses, not merely $100 in income. |
Soooo ... Gratipay is "not a bank," but it plays one |
I've reconciled the most recent info that Xero was able to bring over from PNC, but I'd like to go back and enter and reconcile all of our past history that we've maintained on our finances spreadsheet. |
As of gratipay/gratipay.com#3786 (comment) I'm thinking of this as the over-arching ticket for whatever accounting features we need to add to gratipay.com. We need a proper accounting system, and accounting for our escrow is a part of that. Therefore, the next step would seem to be setting up Xero to include both our operating and escrow accounts, and then the conversation with the CPA tomorrow can be about making sure our books are set up sensibly. I'm going to pause gratipay/gratipay.com#3786 for now, and focus on Xero. |
http://www.ehow.com/info_11384335_accounting-treatment-escrow-account.html That and http://www.tdi.texas.gov/title/documents/BASICS.pdf are the best info I've found so far on setting up books for an escrow. |
http://www.ehow.com/info_12119449_accounting-journal-entry-amounts-held-escrow.html |
To: Peter Fleming, CPA
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Xero is going to have both our operating and escrow accounts in it. It'll take some work to bring all of our operating history into Xero, but that's not the interesting stuff. More important for tomorrow is the escrow accounting, so I'm going to focus on that first. I'm going to import our escrow history into Xero. |
Alright, what are all the accounts we've ever had escrow in?
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The purpose right now is to account for everything at a high level. We don't need per-user ledgers yet. Right now we just want to get all of our top-level escrow activity into one place: Xero. |
I'm looking at our PayPal transaction history. I don't think we want individuals ~users in Xero. I think we want lump sums in Xero, with individual ~users accounted for in gratipay.com itself. |
I've started a download of our PayPal history. |
Okay, I have PayPal history, but only back two years. :-/ |
PayPal's web interface goes back three years, which is long enough. Our first PayPal payout was on Jan 20, just after payday 33 (not mentioned there nor in 34). |
There's actually a little bit of noise in the PayPal prior to Jan 20, which is reflect on our finances spreadsheet. When did we disentangle escrow from operations? |
Also helpful for early history: "go over payday numbers and make sure it is right" ... and especially ... "correct any misuse of escrowed funds," which this ticket should enable if we don't in fact end up needing to resolve 265 before closing this here. |
I believe we were mingling escrow and operations for over a year, until gratipay/gratipay.com#68 two years ago. |
gratipay/gratipay.com#171 links to an old spreadsheet which seems to line up with a portion of 2012 from our finances spreadsheet, except that the beginning balance is given as $106.23, which is not what is computed on our finances spreadsheet. |
New Alliance history appears to only go back a little over a year. |
I've got three CSVs for New Alliance:
From (2) and (3) I've split out two more CSVs, for the operations transactions that were mixed in with the escrow transactions (I've removed those transactions from the CSVs listed above). I've created a |
Now to reconcile the rest of the |
Missed a couple GitHub transactions. Looking at -$1,368.71. |
Another one. Up to $2,168.71. |
Alright, after reconciling the rest of |
I haven't done a good job of accounting for fees. For example, I'm only recording a 9.41 deposit from Stripe, and I'm losing the 0.59 payment processing fee. |
Alright, this is ridiculous. |
Okay! @kaguillera and I got Balanced balanced today. Progress! |
I'm not going to get this any further before the advances refund tomorrow. I think it could make a lot of sense for @kaguillera and I to double-team these follow-on issues on Wednesdays when we're able to get together. We made a lot more progress together today than I'm able to alone on these accounting issues. !m @kaguillera |
Right now we account for our operations on a cash basis with a spreadsheet. Sooner or later we should implement a proper accrual system. I'm thinkin' Xero (cf. gratipay/gratipay.com#1039).
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