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Modification: Filecoin Enterprise (Fil-E) Pilot #559
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It looks great for the ecosystem, I am wondering we should have some technology/tools support for the system. e.g.
How to make the data valid keep privacy is challenging. |
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Form f+ program scope...
I suggest that not to disrupt the original scope of f+ program by limiting the total amount of fil-E datacap, which means for every 1TiB of Fil-E datacap approved there should be 100TiB of Fil+ datacap approved. |
Yes @flyworker verifiability and privacy are in conflict. It will be one of the hypotheses to work through in the planning phase |
from my understanding fil-E is not part of Fil+ anymore, since the data is not public |
I think as long as fil+E uses datacap it will be bounded by rules defined in FIP003, which in turn is bounded by rules set in fil+ program. Or this fil+E could be another separate FIP that is independent of FIP003. |
Based on my reading of the proposal above, there are not technical protocol level changes, and this proof of concept variation still falls under FIP 003. That said, if the broader community felt an informational FIP was necessary at this stage, someone could draft that. I feel that this proposal (and the various additional documentation the working group has generated) are sufficient sources of documentation, and an informational FIP is not necessary. It may make more sense to draft that informational FIP later, once this initial proposal has been completed and the community is ready to ratify a long-term enterprise pathway. |
Can anyone specify the rule of KYC in Fil-E? I see a genuine social account like Linkedin is required. But for most Chinese domestic companies, we use Weibo and WeChat as official social account, let alone Linkedin is not available in Mainland China due to government regulation. |
As I know that SP is the main beneficiary of the LDN. Why do you want to let lead SP coordinate other SPs? |
I suggest pilot phase to be conducted separately and synchronously in the East and West, rather than in sequence. We are all well aware of the huge differences between the East and the West in terms of both national policies and social environment, lessons from the Western trial that the project expected are unlikely to have much significance for the Fil-E launch in the East. Further, the standards of KYC for enterprises should take full account of regional differences. For example, the usage rate of LinkedIn in Asia is very low which cannot reach the expected effect of verifying enterprises. Policies should be considered differently in different countries or regions, it would be more efficient to let local notaries take the lead in enforcing localization based on the official baseline. |
Thanks for sharing perspectives and considerations @Neal-fil @Bobby423 @EGGRICE02. This is a proposal at this stage, PL/ FF are working to mobilise a team which will work through all of these important details. The planning phase will explore and design the program, key decision points will be open for discussion and consensus so please stay tuned! |
I agree with Fil-E's vision. It offers great flexibility to companies with data storage needs and is definitely beneficial for the development of the ecosystem. However, as a representative of the East (in the community), there are a few points that I think could have been improved.
I believe this is very important based on the spirit of web 3.0, and the project is still in the preparation stage, there is sufficient time available for deciding on the co-leader of the East. Web 3.0 serves as a bridge to decentralization, the community is shared and the biggest result we obtain is trust. It is necessary to reach complete impartiality between East and West in order for the community to run efficiently. 2. The awareness of Linkedin is poor in China, and it is inaccurate to conduct KYC in a single way. We recommend that the verification of the company be divided into two parts. 1) Verification of the company's credentials should be done through Tianyancha, which is a corporate credit agency under the China SME Development Sub-Fund This is more consistent with the practical environment of Greater China, where the community can only operate efficiently if the geographical environment is fully considered. 3. Furthermore data regulations vary from country to country and compliance with the local laws and regulations is the highest priority. PL&FF should recognize and support the different rules in all regions of the world. I suggest that the Fil+E project in the Eastern region needs to have appropriate KYC standards defined by the Eastern SPs and notaries. For example, SP should publish the method of data processing, tools, transmission, and encapsulation plan, without publishing the content of the data to ensure the privacy of the customers. |
Here's some facts&reports about Linkedin and Chinese homegrown counterpart.https://napoleoncat.com/stats/linkedin-users-in-china/2021/01/ |
As We said in #527.
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We want to express our interest in the project again. And as a new notary, we'd like to participate in the project. |
Hi Everyone, great news, the enterprise pilot is kicking off. Kevin Zakorchemny from PL who brings strong product and program management is now heading up the project. |
@MegTei Congratulations on the achievement of this project, as we mentioned before, both as notary and our previous service experience with KYC process, Data Checking, SPs customers. If there is an opportunity, we are willing to join and jointly promote the development of the project. |
As a new notary, BlockMaker want to join this program as an active notary. We will pay more attention to this issue. Hope to get more updates. |
Hello all - I'd like to confirm Notary involvement in the upcoming E-Fil+ Pilot. In previous comments and discussion over the past few months, 12 Notaries have expressed interest in participating in the Working Group: I have opened a discussion topic for further review and confirmation of Notary participation in the Pilot, please confirm participation here: #579 |
Hi Kevin, Count me in, please |
Hello all - I just posted a new discussion topic regarding:
See here: #580 |
Hello - Proposals related to this E-Fil issue were posted for further discussion by the community: |
Hello - see slides from a Enterprise (E-Fil+) Pilot Planning Phase Overview presentation on today's governance call: LINK |
Hello - we will begin holding weekly/bi-weekly E-Fil+ Pilot Notary WG Check-in calls. See calendar with links: The first are: Please join either one if you can: |
I don't have permissions to view that calender. |
sorry about that, you should now @cryptowhizzard |
@kevzak Pls share the meeting link~ |
@NDLabs I just added you to the WG slack thread. Thank you. |
Hello Notary WG - we will hold E-Fil+ WG call next week, Aug 16 and 17th. See calendar with links: Can you please complete this survey to review on the next call, by August 16th? https://forms.gle/idrhvBtcKgAY4YyV6 @derricktan23 |
I was in the notary call of yesterday August 9 , 16.30 PM but there was no-one around except 2 people. Do i get it right that the next call is by august 16 => 16.30 Amsterdam time? |
@cryptowhizzard apologies - I've now set it up for every other week. The next is 16h at 16.30 Amsterdam time, yes |
Closing this one out - lets continue the conversation in #611 |
Issue Description
Potential verticals/use cases and clients have useful (non-public) data which could be stored on Filecoin however with enterprise data (non-public) they currently don’t qualify for Fil+. There are Web3 aware clients with interest in testing /running POCs on Filecoin’s new system (proof of concepts being a pathway to decision making) and these early adopters trade off risk/ stage of development with incentives to switch from fully featured Web2 systems to new technologies. Active requests for enterprise clients are onboarding now, attempting to operate within the bounds of the current Fil+ public data program which requires high SP and governance effort creating friction and isn’t scalable
Impact
The launch of an enterprise proposition to reach 80% of the worlds (private) data will enable the Filecoin ecosystem to scale significantly, increasing both opportunities for SPs and expanding the network.
The enterprise program objectives include:
Proposed Solution
Fil-E is a program that supports clients with private (non-public) data that is still aligned with the Filecoin purpose, goals and principles. It will make use of Fil+ DataCap as a sales tool to incentivise deal making with clients. SPs will also be able to access the same QAP incentive.
Some of the key differences to the existing Fil+ program are:
How will the enterprise application process work?
SP enablement
Client is bound contractually up front including clarity of consequences of system abuse.
Enterprise governance
7. Proposal: Due Diligence - Trust is established on client/ organisation. KYC (know-your-customer) scope (TBC in governance working group):
Seeking 8-10 notaries who will be offered incentives to participate in supporting the enterprise MVP (Incentives to be confirmed by FF)
Upfront client KYC, clearer consequences together with contracts in place work to reduce risk of bad actors. And adequate monitoring and management is in place to ensure no reputational risk
How will this proof of concept be run?
Applying a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) agile approach, a minimum level of design, a product/ proposition/ program can be launched in beta mode to a limited audience/ client base. MVP acknowledges that not all is known upfront about the product/ proposition and that all stakeholders will benefit from a learning cycle that is iterative with each iteration continuously improving outcomes.
Timeline
Approval of this MVP phase: 2-Jul-22
This means, FF & PL Governance and SP stakeholders endorse a pilot and there is support from the community and no showstoppers surfaced.
Proposal: the program can commence on the Western regions while an Eastern co-lead is being sourced.
Planning Phase (2-3 months) July-Oct 22
This includes opening up expressions of interests from clients and SPs and confirming the numbers required.
Proof of concept (MVP) (6-8 months) Oct 22 – Apr 2023
Managed by milestones and go/ no-go checkpoints throughout.
Requirements
Project leads
It is mandatory to ensure representation of Western and Eastern regions.
Proposal: Scope of work and incentive for each lead is agreed with FF & PL
Clients: A limited number of clients 20-50 (TBC) who have a tolerance for a beta phase and open to participating in a feedback loop.
SPs: A limited number of SPs 20-50 (TBC) who are open to participating in a feedback loop
Legal support: provided by PL
Governance: A dedicated set of notaries 8-10 (TBC) are assigned to support the pilot - required to provide 2 hours per week to discussions & tasks.
Proposal: Notary participants will be eligible for an incentive for hours invested (TBC FF)
PL & FF: Support will be required from Protocol Labs and The Foundation around setup/ fund/ market/ operate the new program.
Technical dependencies
Some of the expected technical changes are as follows (but not limited to, TBD in planning phase):
Measures of success
Risks and mitigations
Achieving balance between privacy, verifiability and transparency is complex and designing an enterprise program will need to ensure profiteering from the incentive structure is not possible. The measures proposed to manage risk include:
Related Issues
Discussion #527 issue
How to contribute support/ feedback/ endorsement.
Before responding, please consider the following:
Next steps
(Following these steps outlined here, SP/ client EoI and Notary teams can then assemble)
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