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N.H. and S.H. standard regions proposal #64

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taylor13 opened this issue Jun 5, 2024 · 13 comments
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N.H. and S.H. standard regions proposal #64

taylor13 opened this issue Jun 5, 2024 · 13 comments
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taylor13 commented Jun 5, 2024

Proposer's name Karl Taylor

Date 5 June 2024

This is a proposal to add two "regions" to the list of "standard regions", namely "northern_hemisphere" and "southern_hemisphere". These regions were excluded from the list because they are "regions that could be specified by coordinate ranges in CF (e.g. western hemisphere)".

The specific use case motivating this proposal is that for CMIP7, there is a request to be able to use a single variable to report time-series of the N.H., S.H., and global mean concentrations of certain trace gases. This could be done using the CF-recommended method by defining a latitude coordinate of length 3 with latitude coordinate bounds of [-90, 0], [-90, 90], and [0, 90] and coordinate values of, say, -45, 0, and 45. I think, however, that it would be clearer to most users if we simply defined a region index dimension and used the coordinates attribute to point to a variable recording the names of the regions. We can, of course, already do this legally within the convention constraints, but my understanding is that we could not identify the auxiliary coordinate variable using the standard_name="region", because currently northern_hemisphere and southern_hemisphere are not included in the standard list. By adding these names to the CF list of standard regions, we could use the standard_name "region" in this use case, which I think is helpful.

I would note that "global" is already included as a standard region even though it can be specified by coordinate ranges, so there is a precedent for making exceptions to the rule quoted in the first paragraph above.

@taylor13 taylor13 added standard name (added by template) Requests and discussions for standard names and other controlled vocabulary add to cfeditor (added by template) Moderators are requested to add this proposal to the CF editor labels Jun 5, 2024
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Thank you for your proposal. These terms will be added to the cfeditor (http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1) shortly. Your proposal will then be reviewed and commented on by the community and Standard Names moderator.

@taylor13 taylor13 changed the title global, N.H., and S.H. standard regions proposal N.H., and S.H. standard regions proposal Jun 5, 2024
@taylor13 taylor13 changed the title N.H., and S.H. standard regions proposal N.H. and S.H. standard regions proposal Jun 5, 2024
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Hi @taylor13 - this sounds sensible and I support it. Thanks.

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Dear Karl @taylor13

Yes, I think that's fair enough. I support the proposal.

By the way, I wonder whether global should have been globe and if so whether it's worth allowing globe. It's the only region name which isn't a noun.

Cheers

Jonathan

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taylor13 commented Jun 7, 2024

globe would certainly be more consistent. Will changing it now cause any grief? Do we already have aliases for regions, like we do for standard names?

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larsbarring commented Jun 7, 2024

@taylor13 I support the proposal to add "northern_hemisphere" and "southern_hemisphere" to the list of standardized regions.

With respect to "GLOBAL" I note that the header text to the CF Standardized Region List, now at version 4, states

Version 1 of this list was based on the NASA GCMD keyword list for locations which was valid on 12 December 2002. ...
... Our intention is to keep this list consistent with GCMD.

And the current GCMD list of keywords provides a list of regions as CSV that still includes "GLOBAL" (but not GLOBE), which then can be further divided into "GLOBAL LAND" and "GLOBAL OCEAN". I think that we should stick to the expressed intention.

Furthermore, I would suggest that we whenever possible avoid introducing aliases as these introduce a source for mistakes and confusion, not least in relation to existing software.

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taylor13 commented Jun 7, 2024

I find @larsbarring argument is compelling and agree we should retain "global" and not include "globe". (We've inherited the inconsistency found in the GCMD list.)

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Yes, that's fair enough. We can regard the inconsistency of global as an amusing feature of the CF convention.

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Hi Karl @taylor13

Your proposal to add "northern_hemisphere" and "southern_hemisphere" to the list of standardized region names has received several comments of support and no one has objected. I agree that they are a sensible addition.

Since no comments have been received in this issue since June, I think the proposals can be accepted. The standardized region names will be updated at the same time as the next standard name table update, planned for November 11th-12th.

In the header text of the region list, the penultimate sentence says "We have also added names shown like this." It is not clear to me what this sentence refers to and it seems superfluous. Unless anyone objects, I will remove it when the update is done.

Best wishes,
Alison

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I agree that the "penultimate" sentence you refer to above should be removed.

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Agree with @taylor13

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@taylor13 @larsbarring

Many thanks for your responses. These additions to the standardized region list are accepted and will be added at the next update on 12th November.

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The changes agreed here have been published in V5 of the standardized region list, so closing this issue now.

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