diff --git a/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.cpp b/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.cpp
index fd72c08dec0..fcd5b32aa21 100644
--- a/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.cpp
+++ b/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.cpp
@@ -1647,6 +1647,36 @@ bool SurgeSynthesizer::isActiveModulation(long ptag, modsources modsource)
    return false;
 }
 
+bool SurgeSynthesizer::isBipolarModulation(modsources tms)
+{
+   // HERE
+   int scene_ms = storage.getPatch().scene_active.val.i;
+   /* You would think you could just do this nad ask for is_bipolar but remember the LFOs are made at voice time so... */
+   // auto ms = storage.getPatch().scene[scene_ms].modsources.at(tms);
+
+   // FIX - this will break in S++
+   if( tms >= ms_lfo1 && tms <= ms_slfo6 )
+   {
+      bool isup = storage.getPatch().scene[scene_ms].lfo[tms-ms_lfo1].unipolar.val.i;
+      // For now
+      return !isup;
+   }
+   if( tms >= ms_ctrl1 && tms <= ms_ctrl8 )
+   {
+      // Controls can also be bipolar
+      auto ms = storage.getPatch().scene[scene_ms].modsources[tms];
+      if( ms )
+         return ms->is_bipolar();
+      else
+         return false;
+   }
+   else
+   {
+      return false;
+   }
+}
+
+
 bool SurgeSynthesizer::isModDestUsed(long ptag)
 {
    int scene_ms = storage.getPatch().scene_active.val.i;
diff --git a/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.h b/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.h
index d53e237d154..b7a79282de5 100644
--- a/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.h
+++ b/src/common/SurgeSynthesizer.h
@@ -128,6 +128,7 @@ class alignas(16) SurgeSynthesizer
    //	float getParameter (long index);
    bool isValidModulation(long ptag, modsources modsource);
    bool isActiveModulation(long ptag, modsources modsource);
+   bool isBipolarModulation(modsources modsources);
    bool isModsourceUsed(modsources modsource);
    bool isModDestUsed(long moddest);
    ModulationRouting* getModRouting(long ptag, modsources modsource);
diff --git a/src/common/gui/CModulationSourceButton.cpp b/src/common/gui/CModulationSourceButton.cpp
index c5b4261e0b4..7f2d59d6c0d 100644
--- a/src/common/gui/CModulationSourceButton.cpp
+++ b/src/common/gui/CModulationSourceButton.cpp
@@ -142,8 +142,8 @@ void CModulationSourceButton::draw(CDrawContext* dc)
    FontCol = UsedOrActive ? ColEdge : ColSemiTint;
    if (ActiveModSource)
    {
-      FrameCol = blink ? ColBlink : ColTint;
-      FillCol = blink ? ColBlink : ColTint;
+      FrameCol = ColBlink; // blink ? ColBlink : ColTint;
+      FillCol = ColBlink; // blink ? ColBlink : ColTint;
       FontCol = ColBG;
    }
    else if (SelectedModSource)
diff --git a/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.cpp b/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.cpp
index 663b0d86109..1301eb40e89 100644
--- a/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.cpp
+++ b/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.cpp
@@ -226,30 +226,170 @@ void CSurgeSlider::draw(CDrawContext* dc)
          dc->drawString(leftlabel, trect, kLeftText, true);
    }
 
-   if (pHandle && (modmode != 2))
+   CRect hrect(headrect);
+   handle_rect = handle_rect_orig;
+   hrect.offset(size.left, size.top);
+   if (style & CSlider::kHorizontal)
+      hrect.offset(0, 3);
+   
+   float dispv = limit_range(qdvalue, 0.f, 1.f);
+   if (style & CSlider::kRight || style & CSlider::kBottom)
+      dispv = 1 - dispv;
+   dispv *= range;
+   
+   if (style & CSlider::kHorizontal)
    {
-      CRect hrect(headrect);
-      handle_rect = handle_rect_orig;
-      hrect.offset(size.left, size.top);
-      if (style & CSlider::kHorizontal)
-         hrect.offset(0, 3);
+      hrect.offset(dispv + 1, 0);
+      handle_rect.offset(dispv + 1, 0);
+   }
+   else
+   {
+      hrect.offset(1, dispv);
+      handle_rect.offset(1, dispv);
+   }
 
-      float dispv = limit_range(qdvalue, 0.f, 1.f);
-      if (style & CSlider::kRight || style & CSlider::kBottom)
-         dispv = 1 - dispv;
-      dispv *= range;
+   if( modmode )
+   {
+      CRect trect = hrect;
+      const CColor ColBar = CColor(173, 255, 107, 255 );
+
+      // float moddist = modval * range;
+      // We want modval + value to be bould by -1 and 1. So
+      float modup = modval;
+      bool overtop = false;
+      float moddn = modval;
+      bool overbot = false;
+      if( modup + value > 1.f )
+      {
+         overtop = true;
+         modup = 1.f - value;
+      }
+      if( modup + value < 0.f )
+      {
+         overbot = true;
+         modup = 0.f - value;
+      }
+      if( value - moddn < 0.f )
+      {
+         overbot = true;
+         moddn = value + 0.f;
+      }
+      if( value - moddn > 1.f )
+      {
+         overtop = true;
+         moddn = value - 1.f;
+      }
+      // at some point in the future draw something special with overtop and overbot
+
+      modup *= range;
+      moddn *= range;
 
+      /*
+      if( modval != 0 )
+         std::cout << "mv=" << modval
+                   << " val=" << value
+                   << " rn=" << range
+                   << " mu=" << modup
+                   << " md=" << moddn << std::endl;
+      */
+
+      std::vector<CRect> drawThese;
       if (style & CSlider::kHorizontal)
       {
-         hrect.offset(dispv + 1, 0);
-         handle_rect.offset(dispv + 1, 0);
+         trect.top += 7;
+         trect.bottom = trect.top + 4;
+         float modDistance = 40;
+         if( ! modulation_is_bipolar )
+         {
+            trect.left += 11;
+            trect.right = trect.left + modup;
+         }
+         else
+         {
+            trect.left += 11;
+            trect.right = trect.left + modup;
+            trect.left -= moddn;
+         }
+         if( trect.left > trect.right )
+            std::swap( trect.left, trect.right );
+         drawThese.push_back( trect );
+
+         if( overtop )
+         {
+            CRect topr;
+            topr.top = trect.top;
+            topr.bottom = trect.bottom;
+            topr.left = trect.right + 1;
+            topr.right = topr.left + 3;
+            drawThese.push_back(topr);
+         }
+
+         if( overbot )
+         {
+            CRect topr;
+            topr.top = trect.top;
+            topr.bottom = trect.bottom;
+            topr.left = trect.left - 4;
+            topr.right = topr.left + 3;
+            drawThese.push_back(topr);
+         }
       }
       else
       {
-         hrect.offset(1, dispv);
-         handle_rect.offset(1, dispv);
+         trect.left += 7;
+         trect.right = trect.left + 4;
+         if( ! modulation_is_bipolar )
+         {
+            trect.top += 11;
+            trect.bottom = trect.top - modup;
+         }
+         else
+         {
+            trect.top += 11;
+            trect.bottom = trect.top - modup;
+            trect.top += moddn;
+         }
+
+         if( overbot )
+         {
+            CRect topr;
+            topr.left = trect.left;
+            topr.right = trect.right;
+            topr.bottom = trect.top + 1;
+            topr.top = topr.bottom + 3;
+            drawThese.push_back(topr);
+         }
+
+         if( overtop )
+         {
+            CRect topr;
+            topr.left = trect.left;
+            topr.right = trect.right;
+            topr.top = trect.top - 1;
+            topr.bottom = topr.top - 3;
+            drawThese.push_back(topr);
+         }
+
+         if( trect.top < trect.bottom )
+            std::swap( trect.top, trect.bottom );
+         drawThese.push_back( trect );
       }
 
+      for( auto r : drawThese )
+      {
+         dc->setFillColor( ColBar );
+         dc->drawRect( r, VSTGUI::kDrawFilled );
+         dc->setLineWidth( 0.5 );
+         dc->setFrameColor( VSTGUI::kBlackCColor );
+         r.right += 0.9;
+         r.bottom += 0.9;
+         dc->drawRect( r, VSTGUI::kDrawStroked );
+      }
+   }
+   
+   
+   if (pHandle && (modmode != 2))
+   {
       if (style & CSlider::kHorizontal)
       {
          pHandle->draw(dc, hrect, CPoint(0, 24 * typehy), modmode ? 0x7f : 0xff);
diff --git a/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.h b/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.h
index 5d705fd7496..f186a1a14b8 100644
--- a/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.h
+++ b/src/common/gui/CSurgeSlider.h
@@ -49,9 +49,10 @@ class CSurgeSlider : public CCursorHidingControl
    {
       has_modulation = b;
    } // true if the slider has modulation routings assigned to it
-   virtual void setModCurrent(bool b)
+   virtual void setModCurrent(bool isCurrent, bool isBipolarModulator)
    {
-      has_modulation_current = b;
+      has_modulation_current = isCurrent;
+      modulation_is_bipolar = isBipolarModulator;
       invalid();
    } // - " " - for the currently selected modsource
    virtual void bounceValue(const bool keeprest = false);
@@ -94,7 +95,7 @@ class CSurgeSlider : public CCursorHidingControl
    float moverate, statezoom;
    int typex, typey;
    int typehx, typehy;
-   bool has_modulation, has_modulation_current;
+   bool has_modulation, has_modulation_current, modulation_is_bipolar = false;
    bool is_temposync = false;
    VSTGUI::CPoint lastpoint, sourcepoint;
    float oldVal, *edit_value;
diff --git a/src/common/gui/SurgeGUIEditor.cpp b/src/common/gui/SurgeGUIEditor.cpp
index 9494ce478b3..5b86403f929 100644
--- a/src/common/gui/SurgeGUIEditor.cpp
+++ b/src/common/gui/SurgeGUIEditor.cpp
@@ -606,7 +606,7 @@ void SurgeGUIEditor::refresh_mod()
          {
             s->setModMode(mod_editor ? 1 : 0);
             s->setModPresent(synth->isModDestUsed(i));
-            s->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(i, thisms));
+            s->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(i, thisms), synth->isBipolarModulation(thisms));
          }
          // s->setDirty();
          s->setModValue(synth->getModulation(i, thisms));
@@ -1369,7 +1369,7 @@ void SurgeGUIEditor::openOrRecreateEditor()
                hs->setModMode(mod_editor ? 1 : 0);
                hs->setModValue(synth->getModulation(p->id, modsource));
                hs->setModPresent(synth->isModDestUsed(p->id));
-               hs->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(p->id, modsource));
+               hs->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(p->id, modsource), synth->isBipolarModulation(modsource));
                hs->setValue(p->get_value_f01());
                hs->setLabel(p->get_name());
                hs->setMoveRate(p->moverate);
@@ -2413,7 +2413,7 @@ int32_t SurgeGUIEditor::controlModifierClicked(CControl* control, CButtonState b
             synth->clearModulation(ptag, thisms);
             ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModValue(synth->getModulation(p->id, thisms));
             ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModPresent(synth->isModDestUsed(p->id));
-            ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(p->id, thisms));
+            ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(p->id, thisms), synth->isBipolarModulation(thisms));
             // control->setGhostValue(p->get_value_f01());
             oscdisplay->invalid();
             return 1;
@@ -2717,7 +2717,7 @@ void SurgeGUIEditor::valueChanged(CControl* control)
             }
             synth->setModulation(ptag, thisms, ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->getModValue());
             ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModPresent(synth->isModDestUsed(p->id));
-            ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(p->id, thisms));
+            ((CSurgeSlider*)control)->setModCurrent(synth->isActiveModulation(p->id, thisms), synth->isBipolarModulation(thisms));
 
             synth->getParameterName(ptag, txt);
             sprintf(pname, "%s -> %s", modsource_abberations_short[thisms], txt);