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lifecycle: allow components to gracefully restart with exit codes similar to bootstrap #1331
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Hi voxeljorge, thanks for your suggestion. While something like this may be one way to address the use case you describe, if the primary goal is for a component to signal other components to take an action, is there a reason you cannot use the IPC Pub/Sub APIs Greengrass provides? A restart shouldn't be required for this but even if it is, would an explicit mechanism for a component to request a restart for itself or other component via IPC suit your case better? |
We are deploying existing software that is written in a language not supported by the IPC Pub/Sub APIs. Rewriting this software in a supported language is not really viable at this time. Additionally, we prefer to only use Pub/Sub approaches like this for pure control plane operations like reloading a configuration. A service restart guarantees a reload and is less likely to be accidentally missed than a Pub/Sub message (imagine a case where the application looking for configuration updates locks up and stops processing these messages due to a bug), as there are fewer moving pieces involved. The exit/restart flow via dependencies seems much more robust to programming errors and other failures basically, and makes it easier to integrate both third party software and languages that are not supported by the official Greengrass Core SDK. Side Note: I'm quite confused as to why these APIs are language specific rather than protocol specific, they could have easily been an MQTT or HTTP API which would have allowed for any language to integrate with the Greengrass Core very reasonably. |
One other quick note for use-cases for this, there are frequent occasions when an application may just need to reload its own state from the ground up. I would venture to say that most applications are initially written to require an exit/restart to reload their configuration, even if they have some way to detect that their configuration has changed. I doubt that developers would ever want these types of restarts to trigger a broken condition, except in cases where the application is truly spinning (restarting very frequently without loading correctly). |
Thanks for explaining, this is definitely one of the use cases the Pub/Sub IPC APIs were designed for. I understand you may have a preference for restarting for reasons you mentioned but Greengrass IPC overall provides a rich set of features otherwise unavailable or difficult to build on your own so I'd still recommend not to avoid IPC usage completely. As for the IPC SDKs not being protocol specific, this decision was made based on several considerations, one being performance overhead. Would you be able to share what language your legacy application is written in so we can see if we're going to support that language for IPC in near future? Lastly, we will consider the original feature request for restarting on exit codes and post an update here on if it's feasible/whether Greengrass will be able to provide this capability. |
Just leaving this here for reference, if anyone reading this wants to trigger a restart for a component from another component and is able to use IPC, we have dedicated IPC APIs for it that can be used https://docs.aws.amazon.com/greengrass/v2/developerguide/ipc-local-deployments-components.html#ipc-operation-restartcomponent |
We aren't intentionally avoiding IPC usage completely, we just already had applications written in Go which we did not want to re-write just to gain access to Greengrass IPC. Additionally we really do prefer to contain our "Control Plane" outside of the application where possible, following a pattern similar to the 12 Factor App . We feel that a design where our application code is running in a separate process from the control logic for logging/reloading/etc is considerably more robust. This could be accomplished with a wrapper written in a greengrass supported language but for now that seems unnecessary.
Sorry should have included this in the original post I guess, as mentioned above mostly Go. One more note: We have implemented a hacky version of this that seems to work by setting the |
Okay, as I said we do have a
Another less than ideal but functional workaround for you while we evaluate this feature request/until there's a better solution available - you could see if invoking the |
As far as I can tell this design would would require creating a circular dependency between both services or having some kind of registration process, which is much more complex. For example:
In this scenario, what approach would you recommend for service A to know the list of services which it should notify about a configuration reload? How do we ensure that list is correct, up to date, etc? In a design which purely depends on component dependencies to force reloads, this dependency graph is acyclic which is typically more robust.
We are much more likely to drop Greengrass for an alternate approach than rewrite existing software in Java/C/C++ (maybe python is supported as well? not sure). |
A plan for including |
You can have Service A request restart for itself using the We'll post here when we have an update on |
It would be very helpful to allow Greengrass components to be restarted without entering into the BROKEN state in a controlled way. There is already a pattern in place here where components can request that the nucleus restart with special exit codes returned from
Bootstrap
.Proposed Solution
I propose exit code support is added to
Run
which tells the Greengrass Nucleus that the process exited without error, with an exit code like 100 similar to theBootstrap
section. To avoid excessive restarts some kind of logic could be added that forces a minimum delay between restarts, or a maximum number of restarts per time period.Other
We have a custom component which fetches configuration data and caches it into a file. Right now we have to design an out of band signaling mechanism for that component to signal other components that a configuration update is available. If graceful restarts were supported, the component update could happen via dependency definitions in components.
Changing exit code behavior on
Run
would technically be a breaking change, although in practice a number could probably be found to be very unlikely to collide with any typical exit code.The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: