Edge 820 paired

[BikeBeppe64]

Hi WD, I have a Tacx I-Flow T2250, (1932 & 1901) 2 USBs - Antifier & Garmin , GSC 10 Speed/Cadence and an Edge 820.

After running FortiusAnt and then turning on the Garmin, I trayed searching for something and It paired to the roller, identifying it as in the attached photo. after heating the rear tire, it started showing power values ​​lower than the strain felt by my legs.
Inside Garmin I was able to increase the effort of the roller but it immediantly sent the application off.

Also Lower speed but No hearbeat & cadence showed.

Maybe I have been lucky and in the next days I will get further tests in order to obtain uselful datas.
Please let me have commands for Windows (10 x64).

In my hand a Vecor 2s power Meter, a Speed Sensore 2 and an Edge 800 (which pair both)

[WouterJD]

Hi @BikeBeppe64. Interesting experiment, see also #79.

I understand you want to use your Edgo to display power/cadence/heartrate and speed; is that correct?

Note that FortiusANT broadcasts two devices on ANT: FE-C (Controllable Fitness Equipment = Tacx Trainer) and HRM (heartrate monitor).

Do you use a HRM connected to your trainer? Only in that case FortiusANT can broadcast a heartrate?

What does FortiusANT display on the graphical user interface?

In other words: tell me some more please and we'll see.

[BikeBeppe64]

New Test

• Edge 800 (dark display) paired Power Meter, Speed Sensore, Hrm belt
• Edge 820 (clear display) paired tacx 1932, Speed Sensore, Hrm belt
  PC: win 10 x64 FortiusAnt 2.6 (win)

Note: PC & Edge 820 real close values
(Power - Speed) Hrm beat High value
Take a look to my picture Just to have datas

My intention Is to use my roller as It is to follow my train on edges or Watching TV during my workout

I tryed ti have datas via -d127 but :

[WouterJD]

The last case seems as if you pressed Ctrl+C to interrupt the program. What happened?

Funny idea. What program do you use: Trainer Road, Zwift, Rouvy, FulGaz???
What is the advantage of following training on edge instead of the FortiusAnt GUI (other than that it's fun to do)?

[BikeBeppe64]

The last case seems as if you pressed Ctrl+C to interrupt the program. What happened?
I don't Remember exactly.
Any help ti close in the right way is appreciate.

Funny idea. What program do you use: Trainer Road, Zwift, Rouvy, FulGaz???

• I'm trying (trial) all those for different situation in the screen , (real or virtual ?) But at the end of story I'll chiose GC but at the moment I don't know how to connect T1932 to it having slope & pwr

What is the advantage of following training on edge instead of the FortiusAnt GUI (other than that it's fun to do)?

• How to connect my old 1932 to other programs in order to have Pwr and slope in the raining days or small time biking ?

[WouterJD]

I do not know GC myself, but during your first tests you can use -m (manual power) or -M (manual grade) to set slope and power. After that: Zwift, Rouvy, ...

So for the technical experiment:

• FortiusANT -g -a -n -M -H0
• Connect Edge to check power/speed/cadence from FortiusANT
• Start cycling and add/reduce grade with headunit buttons UP/DOWN

Succes!

[BikeBeppe64]

I do not know GC myself, but during your first tests you can use -m (manual power) or -M (manual grade) to set slope and power. After that: Zwift, Rouvy, ...

So for the technical experiment:

• FortiusANT -g -a -n -M -H0

(1) no LocateHwd ?
(2) no RunOff ? 40kn/h
(3) no -d127 (logfile) ?

• Connect Edge to check power/speed/cadence from FortiusANT

(4) I can connect/pair my Edge 820 Just pressing "Start" button

• Start cycling and add/reduce grade with headunit buttons UP/DOWN

Succes!

Are you interesting on my two Edge files in order to compare values with log file ?
How long does It have to be and on which format ?

As soon as possible another 2cent

[WouterJD]

(1) (2)
-a means: autostart so you proceed immediatly into operational mode.
If you think that doing Runoff is better then do not specify -a.

(3) -d127 is only in case you have problems, so I can check the logfile to analyse your problem.
So if you have no problem, no need to make a logfile.

Auguri con le vostre prove!
Avete provato usare -m o -M per attivare il modo manuale (-m = manual power, -M = manual grade)?

[BikeBeppe64]

(1) (2)
-a means: autostart so you proceed immediatly into operational mode.

Ok

If you think that doing Runoff is better then do not specify -a.

Ok

(3) -d127 is only in case you have problems, so I can check the logfile to analyse your problem.
So if you have no problem, no need to make a logfile.

Ok

Auguri con le vostre prove!
Big thanks for your prompt replies and help

Avete provato usare -m o -M per attivare il modo manuale (-m = manual power, -M = manual grade)?

Not yey

[BikeBeppe64]

So for the technical experiment:

• FortiusANT -g -a -n -M -H0
• Connect Edge to check power/speed/cadence from FortiusANT

• No paired Edge 820, no Cadence, with above commands, so decided to use
  Gpwm (Garmin Pwr Mt) and take a look at FApwr (FortiusAnt) to watch values.

• Start cycling and add/reduce grade with headunit buttons UP/DOWN

I had been able just to use Cancel button to exit the program, for other buttons no results

Succes!

Paired T1932 to 820 Just exit and enter again in FortiusAnt -g -n and Press "Start"

My 2cents :

• From Speed 12-14 km/h Gpwm 112w FApwr 100w +/-
  At Speed 30 km/h Gpwm 300w FApwr 200w +/-

Close program CNTR + F4 had same black screen

Right close way ?

[WouterJD]

You can stop FortiusANT with ALT+F$ or press the X at the right-top.
An exit-button would have been nicer, sorry that I did not make that.

[WouterJD]

Version 3.0 is released; please download newest version since error-handling is improved in many places.
Of course of there are any issues, let me know.

[BikeBeppe64]

Version 3.0 is released; please download newest version since error-handling is improved in many places.
Of course of there are any issues, let me know.

Thanks in advance , we do appreciate your big ed exausting job. I'll keep you informed. Tomorrow new workout

[BikeBeppe64]

Hi WJD & All ,
Got really small test with FTAnt 3.0 It seem better then before, hartbeat showed immediatly, GC reconized and paired trainer T1932 on set up/configuration, as model as in the Edge 820. (First picture)
FTant+ Power force/values is lower than Power Meter in my bike

[WouterJD]

if the relation between the "real" and transmitted power is (almost) constant, you can use the -p commandline parameter. Default is one. Do some tests...

[WouterJD]

Hi BikeBeppe. You are working with Edgo820. Does the Edge800 also see FortiusANT?

[BikeBeppe64]

Ho WouterJD, tried this mornig to pair FortiunsAnt & Trainer by Edge 800 but no success

In the Big One (800) Just Power Meter paired

[WouterJD]

Hi Beppe, thanks.

I do not see size-difference: the top one is 800 and the bottom one 820?

[BikeBeppe64]

Hi Beppe, thanks.

I do not see size-difference: the top one is 800 and the bottom one 820?

The above one (longer) Is the Edge 800 where I can't get the trainer Tacx nr 57591 as paired as in the small one 820

[WouterJD]

Thanks. I will create a PWR profile for the Edge 800 as asked by #79.
Ciao e a presto!

PS. Is there something I can help you with?

[BikeBeppe64]

Thanks. I will create a PWR profile for the Edge 800 as asked by #79.
Ciao e a presto!

PS. Is there something I can help you with?

Thanks in advance for #79 and what can i do for helping you ?

[WouterJD]

Ha! I have been stupid!

When you run in manual mode, commands do not come from Zwift/GC/Rouvy but from the headunit-buttons, so I disconnected ANT at all.

I did not consider the possibility that somebody would display the results from FortiusANT on an Edge and command from the headunit. So that's why (when using -m or -M) FortiusANT is not found by your edge.

I ran into this aspect when building the iVortex version; as soon as that version is released - ANT will remain active in manual mode.

Thanks for joining in on #79.
Are there any open questions from your side?

[BikeBeppe64]

What a stupid I am, for first time I felt the resistence on my legs without changing bike gear but just with the trainer.

I got It having a workout by Edge 820 & T1932 that automatically change the resistence.

I have also datas by Edge 800 in order to adjust Power by you. Please let me know if need, wich format,and where to send It.

[WouterJD]

haha @BikeBeppe64 non dimenticare che il più stupido è quello chi non si sbaglia mai!

Non so preciso cos'hai combinato ma tieni mi informato! Sto già studiando il profilo PWR per te.

A presto

[BikeBeppe64]

Oggi, non riuscendo a connettere Golden Cheetah al trainer, ho eseguito il workout direttamente dal Garmin Edge 820, dovevo fare 4 volte 10 x 40" a 220/250 e 20" a 60/120w, recupero 5' a 60/120w, notavo che nei cambi di tempo la resistenza aumentava e diminuiva automaticamente, e questo non lo avevo mai notato.

Comunque i watt erano differenti tra il powermeter e il T1932.

Cadenza ancora assente nel fortiusAnt

[WouterJD]

Usando FortiusANT -d127 alla linea di commando, un logfile é creato; to potresti allegare questo logfile, cosí posso vedere se la dadenza sia ricevuto dal T1932 e trasmesso al Edge.

La differenza tra Fortius e powermeter non dovrebbe essere troppo grande.
In caso di si, fai un test, sia utilizzando FortiusANT -m o Edge 820.

Scrivi cosa dice FortiusANT, Edge e Powermeter:
30 secondi per test sarebbe sufficiente; basta che il sistema sia stabile (invece di stancarsi troppo).

test	target	FortiusANT TargetPower	FortiusANT CurrentPower	Edge CurrentPower
1	50 W	...	...	...
1	100 W	...	...	...
1	150 W	...	...	...
1	200 W	...	...	...
1	250 W	...	...	...

[BikeBeppe64]

test
3' warmup 60 - 80w
30" 50 - 95w
30" 100- 145w
30" 150 - 195w
30" 200 - 245w
30" 250 - 300w
3' Cool down 60 - 90w

Same workout in the Edge 800 with powermeter + Edge 820 with trainer T1932
Plus. FortiusAnt -d127

Is It ok ?

[WouterJD]

It's a little bit short.

I would like to know:

• the target you set
• the target that is displayed by FortiusANT
• the actual value that is displayed by FortiusANT
• the actual value of the power meter

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[BikeBeppe64]

Hi WJD
First of all it was not possible to pair T1932 without GUI command.

I did a test twice, First following watt by Power Meter (Edge 800) and then by FortiusAnt+ (Edge 820) , and got these results:

NP stay for Normalized Power

Hoping It Is usefull , waiting for your reply

[WouterJD]

Wauw that's serious work. Will check later!

[BikeBeppe64]

I got a new one, professional of course, with less steps & longer time Just in case

Let me know how to send you a bere ...

[WouterJD]

Hi @BikeBeppe64 please check pull request
Speed and Cadence Sensor is implemented, PWR profile is next step

[WouterJD]

Regarding ...

I did not forget this test!
Now, what is the conclusion to be drawn?

• Speed/speed shows that FortiusANT speed is a bit too low (-8%)
• Med/Med is the ratio between the power measurements, but I do not know whether this is what you wanted to say

In all cases, please realize: A Fortius / i-Magic / i-Vortex is not as accurate and/or advanced as a Tacx Neo. Converting USB to ANT+ does not change that. The Tacx Neo is many years development ahead AND is a direct drive system, with it's related price.

If there is something I can do for you, please let me know.

	Edge 800		Power Meter			Edge 820		Fortius ANT		med / med	speed / speed
00:00	Watt				km/hr					67%	92%
Time			med	max	Speed	med	max	np	speed
03:00	50	80	47	61	10,3	65	82	65	9,43	138%	92%
00:30	47	55	56	76	11,3	34	62	52	10,6	61%	94%
00:30	97	105	165	208	22,2	65	88	52	20,5	39%	92%
00:30	145	155	172	255	18,1	158	182	122	16,76	92%	93%
00:30	195	210	170	217	17,9	180	201	165	16,73	106%	93%
00:30	245	255	243	344	21,1	217	241	204	20,12	89%	95%
00:30	295	305	378	446	27,5	276	294	249	25,21	73%	92%
05:00	40	110	90	298	14,5	54	229	113	13,61	60%	94%
---	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	---
03:00	50	80	133	197	19,1	43	46	43	17,61	32%	92%
00:30	47	55	135	167	18,1	42	45	43	17,5	31%	97%
00:30	97	105	223	291	28,6	61	81	53	24,7	27%	86%
00:30	145	155	257	296	28,8	124	139	97	26,6	48%	92%
00:30	195	210	235	267	20,7	202	239	171	19,2	86%	93%
00:30	245	255	272	312	22,2	223	238	163	20,5	82%	92%
00:30	295	305	307	357	24,4	244	265	230	20,2	79%	83%
05:00	40	110	122	237	17,3	42	137	101	16,3	34%	94%

[BikeBeppe64]

@WouterJD numbers are numbers, you're right

[BikeBeppe64]

Paired by New Edge 820

In order to have same/similar watt (+/- 5w) for trainer and Power Meter , I fixed my Gear in 34 (front) - 30 (rear) and Cadence 80 rpm.

I got problem when pairing by old Edge 800, because It connected various ant+ but during the workout those elements confused the old Edge going in and out quickly

Tomorrow new tests

[WouterJD]

Download the newest version 3.2.1; two crashes resolved

[WouterJD]

@WouterJD numbers are numbers, you're right

Yep - Most important is that the feeling is OK.
My ride with Rouvy yesterday was a bit bumpy; to ofast switching between +5% and -3%. For the rest it worked.
Ciao!

[BikeBeppe64]

Ciao Wouter, con l'ultima versione 3.2.1 tutto va benissimo. (+/- 2-3% Watt) è perfetto per me. Meriti una grossa Birra quando vieni in Italia. keep in touch!!

[BikeBeppe64]

Puoi chiudere.....

[BikeBeppe64]

Please close , everything work perfectly

[WouterJD]

Meriti una grossa Birra quando vieni in Italia. keep in touch!!

Grazie per la risposta; speriamo di incontrarci!