Change: Redistribute Toxin Tractor Gamma damage bonus to stay within 50% max

[xezon]

Reference:

• GLA Toxin General is very strong #806

This change redistributes GLA Toxin Tractor Gamma bonuses to be consistent with the intended bonus from the tool tip.

CONTROLBAR:ToolTipGLAUpgradeAnthraxGamma
US: "+50% damage bonus to all toxin units"

Note: There is a follow up change to this one:

• Change: Increase ToxinTruckGunGamma damage from 17.5 to 18.75 #900

Stats

Rationale

The Toxin Tractor damage values are just a bit wild. The first 2 Gamma ToxinTruckGun's give 64% and 63% relative bonus over Anthrax Beta, while the 3rd gives 42%. The first Gamma ToxinTruckSprayer gives 0% bonus over Anthrax Beta, but the others 33% and 28% relative bonus over Anthrax Beta. This change redistributes the damages to make more sense.

Weapon	Bonus over Anthrax Beta	Bonus over Toxin	Change over Toxin
Original Chem_ToxinTruckGunGamma	+64%	+105%
Original Chem_ToxinTruckGunGammaPlusOne	+63%	+145%
Original Chem_ToxinTruckGunGammaPlusTwo	+42%	+185%
Original Chem_ToxinTruckSprayerGamma	+0%	+25%
Original Chem_ToxinTruckSprayerGammaPlusOne	+33%	+75%
Original Chem_ToxinTruckSprayerGammaPlusTwo	+28%	+125%
Patched Chem_ToxinTruckGunGamma (this)	+40%	+75%	-30%
Patched Chem_ToxinTruckGunGammaPlusOne (this)	+50%	+125%	-20%
Patched Chem_ToxinTruckGunGammaPlusTwo (this)	+50%	+200%	+15%
Patched Chem_ToxinTruckSprayerGamma (this)	+20%	+50%	+25%

[Jundiyy]

Haven't you weakened the Tractor quite a bit? I don't think this is a good change. The Tractor is used with original weapon more than it is with scrap up.

[xezon]

It has a tiny bit less bonus overall. Although the Nozzle gun is weaker before Scrap, the Sprayer gun is stronger before Scrap, so there is benefit still.

[Jundiyy]

Yes I can see that, perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but it was 64% before and 40% now? That's quite a big jump without a proper reasoning I'd say. And the gun is used quite a lot, I'd say more important than the sprayer.

[xezon]

You can make new suggestions on how to redistribute if you take issue with it. Right now the damage progression is very organized and logical and certainly better than originally.

[Jundiyy]

Whilst it is organised and logical, it doesn't make it the right one as you've taken away a lot of damage from the unit for no real reason, I don't see as a reason to nerf it. Make them all at 50% at the minimum. I don't see why it should go down to 40%.

How about, all damages at 60%? This nerfs the first 2 very slightly, but buffs the last, which is hardly seen, so would not make much of a difference.

Although I don't agree with this next idea myself, (at the moment anyway,) perhaps the original damage staying the same and then increasing the others to match it.

[xezon]

We can make the Chem_ToxinTruckGunGamma 18.75 damage to be a 50% bonus over Anthrax Beta. Anything higher will exceed the 50% Gamma bonus.

[Jundiyy]

Yup, I'd prefer a flat 50%.

[ImTimK]

We can make the Chem_ToxinTruckGunGamma 18.75 damage to be a 50% bonus over Anthrax Beta. Anything higher will exceed the 50% Gamma bonus.

this sounds more logical.

[ImTimK]

The top table is probably not so easy to read for outsiders to be fair:

• better add top headers that splits clearly splits it in groups of 3 (non scrapped / scrapped / double scrapped).
• rename current headers (to standard toxin / beta upgrade / gamma upgrade) instead of the code names.

I'm trying to understand the rationale of the change though, the maingun is nerfed just to align with the tooltip?
Are 64% and 63% really "too much"? Is there any other reason?

Guess changes are unnoticeable in practice though, so it's not that I care too much about it. But I feel in the general the fixation on value alignment is a bit too much?

[xezon]

Take some time and study the presented data.

[ImTimK]

Take some time and study the presented data.

It's easy to get lost in how the stuff is ordered and readability is bad.