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Change: Increase China Overlord speed by 25%, upgraded speed by 16% #1813
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Could also increase the Turn Rate from 60 to 70, so it sits between former 60 and Nuke's 80. |
Exactly how I had it in mind for the Vanilla Overlord, but any reason why the Emperor should be slower? |
I am not clear what to do with Emperor. We already gave it the Subliminal Buff and I consider the Emperor the stronger Tank, because it can get Gattling + free Propaganda Tower. So perhaps it should not be so fast. |
As for balance reasons I share the same concerns, however logic wise it's odd how the supposedly better Emperor has a downgraded engine so to say. Perhaps increasing it's cost can somewhat make up it. |
Visually the Emperor is bulkier than the Overlord, also can carry 2 attachments with Propaganda Tower + Gattling Tower. So from that angle the lower speed is plausible. Plus China Tank appears to be more competitive than regular China in Original Game, so it does not need speed buff as much. |
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TurnRate increased from 60 to 70. |
Double attachment is a good point, but only valid when it's actually installed. It does look more bulky, but does it actually have any additional armor? Compared to a vet 1 Vanilla PropLord? Btw question, how does the free prop compare to the regular upgradable prop? Anyways yes, Tank is a little more competitive overall, however I can safely state that Emperors very marginally contribute to the higher winrate, if at all? I rarely see those made, let alone change games, in 1v1 atleast. I can only remember one Rage vs Size WS game really. |
Armor of Overlord and Emperor is identical. TankArmor + 1100 Health. Propaganda Tower is the same. This change does not aim to make the Emperor quicker. |
While doing this change, we should highly consider doing it for the Emperor aswell in a separate PR. |
That is what the issue report is for. You do not need to discuss Emperor in this Pull. This Pull does not change Emperor stats. |
I do think that it's fine to do the same buff to the Emperor, it's rather identical to Overlord Minus the Vet1 and the free prop which only improve it by a margin |
You should post it in the linked issue report. This pull does not intent to change the Emperor, because the Emperor is a different unit. |
Anything to add to this (besides the request to make Emperor drive faster) ? |
None that i can think of |
Needed buff, nothing to add. |
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This change increases the regular China Overlord speed by 25% and upgraded speed by 16%. The Emperor Tank speed is unchanged.
Rationale
Regular China is the one of the weakest factions in the game. Overlords are rarely used, because they are expensive and slow. Mass Humvees and Buggies can kill them quickly. Jarmen Kell snipes them. A slight increase in movement speed can increase the utility of the Overlord Tank. With the increased speeds, before upgrade it still is 17% slower than regular tanks, 37.5% slower than GLA tanks and 37.5% slower than Nuke Overlord. After Nuclear Tanks upgrade it is just 12.5% slower than Nuke Overlord. The Nuclear Tanks upgrade costs 2000 and requires the Nuclear Silo, so it is rather inaccessible and late game only.