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Change: Increase China Overlord speed by 25%, upgraded speed by 16% #1813

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@xezon xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

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This change increases the regular China Overlord speed by 25% and upgraded speed by 16%. The Emperor Tank speed is unchanged.

Object Speed Dmg. Speed Accel. Turn Upgr. Speed Upgr. Dmg. Speed Upgr. Accel. Upgr. Turn
Original China Nuke Overlord 40 40 30 80 - - - -
Original China Emperor 20 20 15 60 30 30 30 60
Original China Overlord 20 20 15 60 30 30 30 60
Patched China Overlord (this) 25 25 20 70 35 35 30 70

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Regular China is the one of the weakest factions in the game. Overlords are rarely used, because they are expensive and slow. Mass Humvees and Buggies can kill them quickly. Jarmen Kell snipes them. A slight increase in movement speed can increase the utility of the Overlord Tank. With the increased speeds, before upgrade it still is 17% slower than regular tanks, 37.5% slower than GLA tanks and 37.5% slower than Nuke Overlord. After Nuclear Tanks upgrade it is just 12.5% slower than Nuke Overlord. The Nuclear Tanks upgrade costs 2000 and requires the Nuclear Silo, so it is rather inaccessible and late game only.

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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

Could also increase the Turn Rate from 60 to 70, so it sits between former 60 and Nuke's 80.

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ImTimK commented Apr 8, 2023

Exactly how I had it in mind for the Vanilla Overlord, but any reason why the Emperor should be slower?

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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

I am not clear what to do with Emperor. We already gave it the Subliminal Buff and I consider the Emperor the stronger Tank, because it can get Gattling + free Propaganda Tower. So perhaps it should not be so fast.

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ImTimK commented Apr 8, 2023

As for balance reasons I share the same concerns, however logic wise it's odd how the supposedly better Emperor has a downgraded engine so to say. Perhaps increasing it's cost can somewhat make up it.

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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

Visually the Emperor is bulkier than the Overlord, also can carry 2 attachments with Propaganda Tower + Gattling Tower. So from that angle the lower speed is plausible.

Plus China Tank appears to be more competitive than regular China in Original Game, so it does not need speed buff as much.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the locomotor-overlord branch from b1b151a to 89c7cbc Compare April 8, 2023 11:45
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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

TurnRate increased from 60 to 70.

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ImTimK commented Apr 8, 2023

Visually the Emperor is bulkier than the Overlord, also can carry 2 attachments with Propaganda Tower + Gattling Tower. So from that angle the lower speed is plausible.

Plus China Tank appears to be more competitive than regular China in Original Game, so it does not need speed buff as much.

Double attachment is a good point, but only valid when it's actually installed.

It does look more bulky, but does it actually have any additional armor? Compared to a vet 1 Vanilla PropLord?

Btw question, how does the free prop compare to the regular upgradable prop?

Anyways yes, Tank is a little more competitive overall, however I can safely state that Emperors very marginally contribute to the higher winrate, if at all? I rarely see those made, let alone change games, in 1v1 atleast. I can only remember one Rage vs Size WS game really.

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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

Armor of Overlord and Emperor is identical. TankArmor + 1100 Health. Propaganda Tower is the same. This change does not aim to make the Emperor quicker.

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ImTimK commented Apr 8, 2023

While doing this change, we should highly consider doing it for the Emperor aswell in a separate PR.

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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

That is what the issue report is for. You do not need to discuss Emperor in this Pull. This Pull does not change Emperor stats.

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MTKing4 commented Apr 8, 2023

I do think that it's fine to do the same buff to the Emperor, it's rather identical to Overlord Minus the Vet1 and the free prop which only improve it by a margin

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xezon commented Apr 8, 2023

You should post it in the linked issue report. This pull does not intent to change the Emperor, because the Emperor is a different unit.

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xezon commented Apr 15, 2023

Anything to add to this (besides the request to make Emperor drive faster) ?

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MTKing4 commented Apr 15, 2023

None that i can think of

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ImTimK commented Apr 15, 2023

Needed buff, nothing to add.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the locomotor-overlord branch from d1b0a26 to f9675ab Compare April 17, 2023 16:33
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