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Youtube-dl disabled due to a DMCA takedown. We are next. #4618

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imShara opened this issue Oct 23, 2020 · 24 comments
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Youtube-dl disabled due to a DMCA takedown. We are next. #4618

imShara opened this issue Oct 23, 2020 · 24 comments
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imShara commented Oct 23, 2020

2020-10-24_00-11

https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl

Need to move to standalone git or p2p repo.

@imShara imShara added the feature request Issue is related to a feature in the app label Oct 23, 2020
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NewPipe should immediately remove the screenshot of downloading Adele's Skyfall.
And screenshots that include the "Download" button.

No, please don't do that. By removing the information which RIAA (or any other DMCA copyright claimer) doesn't like now, you're openly telling you will obey their blatant demands in the future.

This crap should be handled with technologies, and not by putting our heads to the sand hoping they won't spot the project.

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Remove screenshots from README. They're unappealing. Until we find suitable ones, section must be removed.

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Kein commented Oct 23, 2020

Removing them wont do anything, they are part of repo history and can be easily referenced and will withstand scrutiny.

The only way out of this is different source hosting as suggested above.

https://notabug.org/
https://gitgud.io/
https://codeberg.org/
https://repo.or.cz/

All of these will respect international DMCA. And even if they satisfy the etiquette and will forward DMCA claim to you, asking if you are gonna battle it or "we are removing the content then" - let us be honest, nobody has the will and the money to do legal battle against RIAA.

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None of you seem to have contributed to this project, yet to are talking about decisions like you were maintainers. This is not constructive. Please lock the thread to collaborators only.

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Kein commented Oct 23, 2020

@ValdikSS Incorrect, as a part of international copyright law (and countries that respect it, i.e. Copyright treaty) there are some variations of DMCA-like claims that are respected by the aforementioned countries.
In case of your example with OHV: https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/3zbg83/dmca_notice_on_ovh_eu_france/

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None of you seem to have contributed to this project, yet to are talking about decisions like you were maintainers. This is not constructive. Please lock the thread to collaborators only.

I think it's worth allowing users to voice their concerns about the project for at least one public thread until countermeasures are set up.

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The F-Droid page still has problematic screenshots, like a download dialog for Adele - Skyfall.

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We're locking this discussion, as there's a lot of speculation and off-topic discussions. Be assured, the maintainer are informed and develop backup concepts.

We will post a statement once we finished analyzing the situation. NewPipe's situation isn't completely comparable with the situation of youtube-dl, as far as I can see.

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Please see https://newpipe.schabi.org/blog/announcement/youtube-dl-dmca-analysis/. It links to an in-depth analysis of the situation.

In any case, any kind of actionism does not make sense, and spreading misinformation is a bad idea as well. Moving from one big service to another is also not useful in any way, as they might be sent takedown letters as well. Self-hosting is not an option for us either, as we don't have the resources to take care of all the legal implications that come with that (e.g., data protection).
Be assured we're taking steps to mitigate the potential risks of being taken down. A discussion is going on in e.g., #4619.

I think that the youtube-dl takedown will have to end up in court, whose decision is either positive for us (and will prevent similar attacks in the future), or shows that we need better laws in the context of copyright. But right now, let's rather focus on improving NewPipe than waste time thinking about hypothetical situations!

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