[[Person/Peter Kaminski]]
08:03:11
The medieval Germanic forms Þórr (Old Norse), Donar (Old High German), Þunor (Old English), Thuner (Old Frisian) and Thunar (Old Saxon) are cognates—linguistic siblings of the same origin.[2] They descend from the Proto-Germanic theonym *Þun(a)raz ('Thunder'),[3] which is identical to the name of the Celtic god Taranus (by metathesis of *Tonaros; cf. OBrit. Tanaro, Gaul. Tanarus), and further related to the Latin epithet Tonans (attached to Jupiter), via the common Proto-Indo-European root for 'thunder' *(s)tenh₂-.[4] According to scholar Peter Jackson, those theonyms may have originally emerged as the result of the fossilization of an original epithet (or epiclesis) of the Proto-Indo-European thunder-god *Perkwunos, since the Vedic weather-god Parjanya is also called stanayitnú- ('Thunderer').[5]
08:03:58
Tony Buzan is the mind maps guy.
08:08:25
08:09:46
https://computerlibbook.com/ ($120)
[[Person/Jerry Michalski]]
08:10:15
Jerry: metaverse
08:10:21
Gil: The Dawn of Everything
08:10:33
Eric: what do we think of as success?
Pete Kaminski
08:10:40
Ted describes that as: > "Computer Lib" reprints, excellent and shrink-wrapped, now being sold by Adora Cheung of Ycombinator https://twitter.com/thetednelson/status/1098407471683530752?lang=en
Jerry Michalski
08:10:44
Gil: NFTs and value and bullshit
08:11:23
Gil: hope and fear. didn’t get to plan. critical 4-letter words
Pete Kaminski
08:11:55
"how do you plan in a mess" (rather than planning to build things)
Jerry Michalski
08:11:59
where’s the plan for climate change?
Pete Kaminski
08:12:04
"how do you make a map in a storm"
08:12:47
[[Person/Eric Rangell]]
08:13:34
I make a plan in order to orient my brain, then throw it out and get to work.
Pete Kaminski
08:14:14
a goal without a plan is a wish
[[Person/Stacey Druss]]
08:14:14
The practice of planning for different possibilities could be most fruitful.
[[Person/Grace Rachmany]]
08:16:14
did we choose this topic already? we were discussing what topic toהח
Jerry Michalski
08:16:31
Doug: not plan, first steps
Pete Kaminski
08:16:32
a plan without agreement is an argument
Eric Rangell
08:17:29
Agile methodologies?
Grace Rachmany
08:20:18
my fave was metaverse
Pete Kaminski
08:20:32
plans / planning planning about climate change facebook's metaverse what do we think of as success NFTs and value and bullshit
Stacey Druss
08:20:41
Planning, Who is "We"? Flux, First Steps, all in one
Eric Rangell
08:21:12
What is our flux capacitance?
Jerry Michalski
08:21:50
Dent conference
[[Person/Gil Friend]]
08:22:22
See The Atlantic: The Metaverse is Bad
Jerry Michalski
08:22:54
Meow Wolf
Gil Friend
08:22:57
Where was this Dent conference? Link?
Eric Rangell
08:23:01
Are there enough universes in the multiverse so we can each have our own?
Pete Kaminski
08:23:11
Facebook's metaverse push is interesting, not because it's the metaverse, but because it's a big move that Facebook is making, which will influence society and culture in ways that might be good or bad. People should talk about it more, although maybe it's not to be today's topic.
08:24:13
"Dent – Put a Dent in the Universe" > https://dentthefuture.com/
08:24:42
"Dent 2021" > https://dentthefuture.com/events/dent-2021/
08:25:46
In 2013, Steve Broback and Jason Preston hosted the first Dent Conference in Sun Valley, ID, which brought together one hundred fascinating people who were “putting a dent in the universe,” in order to tease out the lessons behind these stories of great ambition and success. > > Since then, the annual Dent Conference has gathered a community of audacious thinkers, entrepreneurs, executives, astronauts, artists, and investors who continue to push the boundaries on how we think and act.
Jerry Michalski
08:25:56
interdisciplinarity
[[Person/Wendy McLean]]
08:26:58
Interdisciplinary cross-pollination and experience is the key to solving solutions
Stacey Druss
08:27:24
@Wendy +1
Gil Friend
08:27:48
Julian: more some time about history in graph databases?
[[Person/Kevin Jones]]
08:28:22
+1 Wendy interdisciplinary
Pete Kaminski
08:29:01
a note about choosing a topic: the more narrowly focused the topic, the more productive the conversation can be
Grace Rachmany
08:29:20
that resonates with me too
Wendy McLean, NY
08:30:01
Topic: What is the new story we need to be telling each other and ourselves to facilitate development of the plans and solutions that we need for this new phase of humanity
[[Person/Julian Gómez]]
08:30:06
This year Dent was in Santa Fe, NM
Gil Friend
08:30:24
@Doug: why does California’s “efficiency, renewables, electrification” strategy (and associated moves) over the past four decades not count as a “plan”?
08:31:06
(I may have to leave 9am)
Eric Rangell
08:31:22
Longitude was very difficult for ships to determine until they had precision clocks.
Kevin Jones
08:31:35
Have to leave soon for a bit will try to dial back in.
Pete Kaminski
08:31:48
another note about choosing a topic: talking about topics takes a while to do well; it might take a whole call to do that, rather than trying to squeeze it into the front of a call on a topic
Eric Rangell
08:32:37
Covey’s Importance / Urgency matrix comes to mind
Gil Friend
08:33:05
+1 Pete
Wendy McLean, NY
08:33:53
Flux is very aligned with research on building resilience (in people)
Stacey Druss
08:34:34
@Pete, for me the value of pulling out the 3 topics, (and their relation to eachother), is to create a frame to increase the possibility that perspectives of different "we"s can be brought in.
Wendy McLean, NY
08:35:09
+1 Pete
Jerry Michalski
08:35:47
hi Sam!
08:36:02
Energiewende, etc
Pete Kaminski
08:36:03
Makes sense, Stacey. I would think that it would require a fair amount of discipline and facilitation to use the relationship of the 3 topics to converse productively. (not an argument for or against, just an observation)
08:36:06
Former US President Eisenhower used this so-called "Eisenhower Principle" to organize his tasks. He is quoted as saying, "What is important is seldom urgent and what is urgent is seldom important." It was Dr Stephen Covey (of "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" fame) who took these concepts mainstream, calling it The Urgent Important Matrix in his famous book . > > Urgent Important Matrix - Image of GridUsing a simple grid, it defines tasks according to their importance and urgency: > > Quadrant 1 - Crises - URGENT and IMPORTANT > Quadrant 2 - Goals and Planning - NON-URGENT and IMPORTANT > Quadrant 3 - Interruptions - URGENT and NOT IMPORTANT > Quadrant 4 - Distractions - NOT URGENT and NOT IMPORTANT > What do we mean here by Important and Urgent? > > Urgent Tasks: cause us to react, we stop what we're currently doing and work on the urgent task instead. > Important Tasks: lead us towards our overall mission or goals and these key actions often require planning, organization and initiative.
[[Person/Samuel Rose]]
08:36:15
Hello all
Pete Kaminski
08:36:17
https://www.thecoachingtoolscompany.com/coaching-tools-101-what-is-the-urgent-important-matrix/
Kevin Jones
08:36:31
Hey sam.
Pete Kaminski
08:36:59
"A (very) brief timeline of Germany's Energiewende | Clean Energy Wire" > https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/very-brief-timeline-germanys-energiewende
Jerry Michalski
08:37:03
who’s that, Kevin??
Wendy McLean, NY
08:37:06
@Gil, is it a plan, or a vision then?
08:37:27
...If it’s about inspiring people toward a particular end
Pete Kaminski
08:37:32
@Jerry, Sam Rose popped in and said hello :-)
08:37:45
Samuel Rose
08:37:48
Hey Peter!
Pete Kaminski
08:37:53
Hey Sam! :-)
Jerry Michalski
08:37:53
yup. I waved hi in the chat already 🙂
Samuel Rose
08:37:58
I am going to try and come to these calls more
Kevin Jones
08:38:58
Bye hope to join again later. Rumi, the finger puppet is skeptical of this thread. Fwiw.
Stacey Druss
08:38:58
@Pete my observation as to why we don't move forward on a plan, (in general) is that we don't look for a "first Step" that can fit into everyone's plan. We never get past the disagreement over what is more important.
Gil Friend
08:39:03
@Doug, you and I I may be looking under different rocks; I see lots of “plans” that do exactly what you’re seeking.
Stacey Druss
08:39:10
+1 Jerry
Wendy McLean, NY
08:40:01
+1 Jerry
Jerry Michalski
08:40:04
Grace: money and finances
Pete Kaminski
08:40:05
Makes sense, Stacey. I wonder what conversations we need to have before we can agree on what's important.
Jerry Michalski
08:40:16
impact claims
08:40:38
translating impact into money measures as a way of finding equivalences
Pete Kaminski
08:40:42
Probably the conversations would be about trust, values, etc.
Eric Rangell
08:41:03
Feminist economics?
Jerry Michalski
08:42:34
Paul Krafel
Wendy McLean, NY
08:42:37
Grace - Stories around money, production, success that guide us, often unconsciously. New story around the paradigm of what’s meaningful, what does it mean to be a human being, measuring upward spirals
08:42:54
Grace - measure the motion of things toward vitality
Gil Friend
08:42:56
+1 Grace. Echoes of Graeber…
08:43:36
“The financialization of everything” Boo!
Jerry Michalski
08:43:38
if you measure the feminine things, you corrupt them
08:43:46
incommensurables
Eric Rangell
08:44:12
How much are hugs these days?
Wendy McLean, NY
08:44:21
+1 Eric
Pete Kaminski
08:44:25
"Debt: The First 5000 Years", book by David Graeber
Grace Rachmany
08:44:54
I think you usually get a hug back when you give one so it's a fair trade
Stacey Druss
08:45:29
@Grace, it depends if you want one :)
Jerry Michalski
08:45:59
Gil Friend
08:46:12
Money seems to be our only “common denominator” The way we can talk and coordinate across our differences. :-(
Wendy McLean, NY
08:46:19
I’d love to work on offering a new story around each of the various sections of society. May be a good framework to start this in Wheel of Co-Creation
[[Person/Leif Edvinsson]]
08:46:28
Check SECI model by Nonaka
Wendy McLean, NY
08:47:13
+1 Sam… and that’s why I believe a new story is important.
Eric Rangell
08:47:15
The hug market was disrupted by Covid
Julian Gómez
08:47:24
Computer is getting screwy, have to reboot
Wendy McLean, NY
08:47:27
To help people ‘see’ and change their worldview
Eric Rangell
08:48:17
There was an Ostrom Institute conference with Doc Searls this past Monday.
Wendy McLean, NY
08:48:53
1+1=11
Samuel Rose
08:49:13
@wendy yes the new story for sure goes a long way to helping meet the conditions for change in the combination of people and environment they are embedded in
Wendy McLean, NY
08:49:45
Leif - Looking at assets and debts in the community as a whole to help focus on the right dimension
Grace Rachmany
08:50:14
tell me about it
Pete Kaminski
08:51:17
"extrinsic rewards (verb - corrupt?) intrinsic motivations"
Jerry Michalski
08:51:58
crypto
08:52:11
Hidden Brain: is COP26 Dunkirk or ?
08:52:13
Normandy?
Pete Kaminski
08:52:25
"The COP26 summit to fight climate change is about to start. Here's what to expect" (Hidden Brain) https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1047617334/cop26-summit-climate-change-un-glasgow
Jerry Michalski
08:52:43
living stories
08:52:48
lifelong learning
08:52:51
new language for that
08:53:08
virtues lead values
Pete Kaminski
08:53:23
hero's journey vs. ...
08:53:36
"HOME - UN Climate Change Conference (COP26) at the SEC – Glasgow 2021" > https://ukcop26.org/
Wendy McLean, NY
08:53:51
Rick - Need a new language that goes into virtues, to help us move the needle. Ask the evocative questions that help.
Pete Kaminski
08:54:12
"how can we weave the new story?"
[[Person/Rick Botelho]]
08:54:13
Enjoy musing over evocative questions about mindsets and the distinctions between virtues and values if you can find the time for slow thinking. Add your ideas for additional questions. If Inspired, leave a few words of your wisdom and share your comments with others and invite them to do the same. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-virtues-would-you-propose-guide-our-thriving-rick
Pete Kaminski
08:55:15
a chat check-in, things going on for me now: > > - podcasting+publishing tools, with Jerry, and separately, with David Bovill and Wendy Elford > - using Descript for much easier podcast editing > - using Massive Wikis for managing collaborative writing and knowledge > - how to wiki better in general :-) > - where to share big binary files using open source / self-hosting (i.e., replacements for dropbox/google drive/etc.): syncthing, nextcloud, seafile (and further out: ipfs, radicle)
Eric Rangell
08:55:16
The USA was designed as 50 laboratories (the States) and people voted with their feet (and moving vans)
08:56:04
Pete - you might want to look at hyperdrive for large binary files
[[Person/Doug Carmichael]]
08:56:05
Here its a new story http://douglasscarmichael.substak.com
Pete Kaminski
08:56:14
thx, Eric!
Stacey Druss
08:57:14
@Wendy, I would love to work with you on trying to create that new narrative.
Pete Kaminski
08:57:15
"Sharing Files with Hyperdrive | Hypercore Protocol" > https://hypercore-protocol.org/guides/walkthroughs/sharing-files-with-hyperdrive/
Jerry Michalski
08:59:13
hi Michael!
08:59:56
Wendy: the Hero’s Journey cycle is changine
09:00:02
^changing
09:00:17
is there only one hero? is conflict essential?
Wendy McLean, NY
09:01:31
Great Stacey! Let’s do it!
Pete Kaminski
09:01:40
Stacey Druss
09:01:46
Yes!!
Julian Gómez
09:01:48
Hero - concept of the single combat warrior, discussed in “The Right Stuff”
Pete Kaminski
09:02:11
(other heros: Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Howard Hughes, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, etc.)
Wendy McLean, NY
09:02:58
We bond through difficulty, yes. AND… we bond through celebration too. And, through expressing/ recognizing strengths and value in each other.
Pete Kaminski
09:03:14
from wikiipedia: Wolfe wrote that the book [The Right Stuff] was inspired by the desire to find out why the astronauts accepted the danger of space flight. He recounts the enormous risks that test pilots were already taking, and the mental and physical characteristics—the titular "right stuff"—required for and reinforced by their jobs. Wolfe likens the astronauts to "single combat warriors" from an earlier era who received the honor and adoration of their people before going forth to fight on their behalf.
Jerry Michalski
09:03:32
[[Person/Gil Friend]]
09:03:54
David Graeber Knew Ordinary People Could Remake the World -https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/david-graeber-the-dawn-of-everything-human-history-anthropology/
Pete Kaminski
09:05:00
off-topic: a groovy book jacket design for The Right Stuff that didn't get used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_Stuff_(book)#/media/File:The_Right_Stuff_(book)_3.jpg
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Jerry Michalski
09:05:04
convening a safe space for those sharing is key
09:05:13
^sharings
Wendy McLean, NY
09:05:21
Sam - reflect back to people; have a pulse on what’s happening; make people feel listened to. Partnerships helped move things.
Julian Gómez
09:05:26
That cover looks right in line with “Electric Kool Aid Acid Test"
Pete Kaminski
09:05:41
yeah :-)
Jerry Michalski
09:07:40
neighborhood vitality index
Pete Kaminski
09:07:59
The Right Stuff copies in the Internet Archive's borrowable books collection: https://archive.org/details/inlibrary?query=right+stuff+wolfe
Jerry Michalski
09:08:13
makes the social capital visible to lower lenders’ fears. yow.
09:08:57
who is “we” 🙂
09:09:01
the one and the many
Pete Kaminski
09:09:44
Eric Rangell
09:11:56
Interestingly, heat sink workers are mentioned in the Apple TV version of Asimov’s Foundation
Wendy McLean, NY
09:12:37
Jerry - What to measure, how to value and what to value about it?
Samuel Rose
09:12:41
it's a good perspective: the money people are trained to see is actually connected to the people and the environment, watershed etc etc
Wendy McLean, NY
09:13:29
@Gil, what’s the title of Graeber’s book that you’re reading?
Jerry Michalski
09:13:31
If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him: The Pilgrimage Of Psychotherapy Patients (1972)
Gil Philip Friend
09:13:56
“iving stories movements”!
Samuel Rose
09:14:17
it's always a combination of living things and their environments, even when mediated with currency etc https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674006775
Gil Philip Friend
09:14:24
@Wendy The Dawn of Everything. (I posted some review links above.)
Jerry Michalski
09:14:32
Chesbrough: Open Innovation: The New Imperative for Creating and Profiting from Technology (2003)
Samuel Rose
09:15:17
I believe that the way out of the polarization is through people getting active in communities listening, sharing and helping people gain insight
09:16:08
systematic ongoing inquiry that includes as many as possible
Jerry Michalski
09:16:20
Doug: we have to change institutional minds
Rick Botelho
09:16:48
It is both/and/and — ecological changes at all levels —
Wendy McLean, NY
09:17:46
@ Rick +1. And, focusing more on the positive / new narrative over dismantling the old is most effective
Eric Rangell
09:17:54
Córy Doctorow has a book coming out soon: The Lost Cause, a utopian post-GND novel about truth and reconciliation with white nationalist militias.
Jerry Michalski
09:18:41
Scania Engine? link?
09:19:20
the attention economy
09:19:25
the presence economy
Gil Philip Friend
09:19:25
@Doug But how do you change institutions w/o changing the individuals in them. Yes, me buying an EV doesn’t solve anything. But GM making EVs, or being compelled to make EVs, utilities being compelled to goof coal, cities choosing to zone for walkability instead of automcobility, banks valuing social and ecological capital, countries taxing carbon, all those arguable do matter…but tho only happen if “individuals” as voters/execs/investors/shoppers push the institutions
Rick Botelho
09:19:33
Wendy, I agree —Buckminsiter Fuller did not get it right.
Gil Philip Friend
09:19:55
@Rick: missed it. What did Bucky miss?
Pete Kaminski
09:20:07
attention economy vs. presence economy
Jerry Michalski
09:20:09
oooo, can you share David Jay’s post here?
Leif Edvinsson
09:20:20
Jerry Michalski
09:20:32
tx Leif!
Wendy McLean, NY
09:20:33
@Rick, That’s a nuance on Buckminster Fuller I’m not familiar with… Can you elaborate?
Pete Kaminski
09:20:38
"culturalization of capitalism"
Gil Philip Friend
09:21:02
“Economism” didn’t always rule
Pete Kaminski
09:21:12
perhaps this: "The Presence Economy. How might we move from extracting human… | by David Jay | Medium" > https://davidgljay.medium.com/the-presence-economy-b68fddd6d2cb
Gil Philip Friend
09:21:43
ww didn’t exactly select a topic ;-)
Eric Rangell
09:21:54
So how do we post-process this video, transcript, and chat to make it a resource for future reference?
Gil Philip Friend
09:22:06
+1 Eric
Pete Kaminski
09:22:07
"Most cultures around the world have lineages of wisdom about how to cultivate human presence. They may be considered a necessary means of survival (such as in some cultures that have resisted or still resist colonization) or they may be atrophied. These lineages of wisdom hold the key to something that the modern attention economy has rendered in desperately short supply, a resource without which our economy, culture, government, and society will cease to function, and a resource which, despite a long history of being rendered invisible, holds substantial real economic value."
Jerry Michalski
09:22:16
polycentricity
Gil Philip Friend
09:23:02
@Pete: source for that quote?
Pete Kaminski
09:23:23
@Gil, it's the David Jay post linked directly above.
Gil Philip Friend
09:23:28
TY
Eric Rangell
09:23:36
Decentralization does not require blockchain. We can carve out our own decentralized piece of the web if we want to.
Wendy McLean, NY
09:23:46
+1 pete
Samuel Rose
09:23:47
have to run. really appreciated the discussion
Pete Kaminski
09:24:19
@Eric, I have a fair bit of experience and thought about post-processing videos like this, it would be fun to chat. (the headline is that it's many hours of work, and i have a preference for folding that work into the call and participants itself; but there are different points in the spectrum of how to do it we could talk about.)
Rick Botelho
09:24:32
We need a story movement to frame the new economy : ecological economics for a flourishing future to benefit all. How can we co-design cultures and systems that are cultivate virtues based a new narrative process and structure to solve the complex web of self-inflicited wicked problems in 21stC?
Gil Philip Friend
09:25:04
@Rick how can we code sign them, sure…and help that get adopted
Pete Kaminski
09:26:12
Wolfe's "Right Stuff" pages on single combat and heroes are interesting; check pages 96-97. i'll post a link to the excerpted page in the mattermost "Calls" channel later today.
Stacey Druss
09:26:29
Rick +2
Pete Kaminski
09:29:40
(thanks, Julian, for the pointer to Wolfe)
Grace Rachmany
09:30:35
I have to run, can you send the mattermist link?
Julian Gómez
09:30:52
There’s even more connection to “The Right Stuff", but not related to OGM (I think), so some other time.
Jerry Michalski
09:31:22
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147469/the-united-states-welcomes-you
Gil Philip Friend
09:31:22
Mattermost link?
Pete Kaminski
09:32:31
https://chat.collectivesensecommons.org/agora/channels/ogm-calls