2024.08.27

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2024.08.27 Agenda/Minutes

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Time 0800 (PT) / 1600 (BST) - See the time in your timezone

• Chair – Adrian Cockcroft
• Chair - Pindy Bhullar (UBS)
• Convener – Sean Mcilroy (Linux Foundation)

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Recordings

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Roll Call

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Agenda

• Approve agenda
• Approve previous Meeting Minutes

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Review

• Review the documentation files on GitHub and provide updates.
• https://github.com/Green-Software-Foundation/real-time-cloud/blob/Dev/Cloud_Region_Metadata_specification.md

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Latest Issues

• [Question] For discussion later - Real-Time Infrastructure Accounting for embodied carbon #62
• [Consistency Review] Real-Time Cloud Specification and Cloud Region Dataset #60
• For future review - check how new disclosures from the EED in Europe might be relevant to the RTC dataset #59

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Discussions

• [Documentation] Artificial Intelligence Act #54
• Need to add Watttime annual data for 2023 to the spreadsheet #56
• Alibaba Cloud claims K8s service meshes are resource hogs • The Register #57

Ref Material

• GSF Real-Time Cloud Renewable Energy Percentage spreadsheet
• RTC Cloud Region Impact Framework Documentation
• miro dataflow in detail
  • Continue to review and approve the proposed Scope.

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AOB

• Topics added during the meeting

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Next Meeting

• 10 Sept

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MoM - Adrian opens the meeting at 0800 (PT) / 1600 (BST)

Discussion on Real-Time Carbon Footprint Reporting
Chris brought up a new topic about real-time reporting on carbon footprint, making reference to Facebook's recent research on embodied carbon. Chris highlighted the impact of spreading embodied carbon over multiple years, which is not currently considered in the GHG Protocol. Adrian and Chris talked about the difficulties of distributing carbon emissions over time and the possible advantages of updating the GHG Protocol. Chris mentioned that this work could be important for future conversations and offered to share relevant links and resources.

EU Energy Efficiency Directive and Data Reporting
Chris Adams discusses the implications of the EU Energy Efficiency Directive (EED) for data reporting and emphasises the importance of input data for calculating detailed location-based carbon footprint figures for hyperscalers. Adrian is suggesting adding columns to the current data set to comply with EU definitions and regulations. Sean Mcilroy has agreed to create an issue for this proposal and is discussing the timeline for implementing these changes.

AI Act and Energy Consumption Reporting
Chris gave an overview of the AI Act and its requirements for reporting energy consumption. He referred to a Google Doc outlining the law's specific parts relevant to energy consumption reporting. Adrian and Chris discussed the challenges of collecting and reporting energy consumption data for AI models. Chris also mentioned ongoing efforts by groups like Energy Star AI to compare different models and provide energy consumption figures.

Regulation Work Stream and Future Planning
Chris suggested creating a workstream to monitor upcoming regulations and their potential impact. Sean agreed to review a presentation on upcoming regulations in the next meeting. Chris stressed the importance of sharing this information with members to help them prepare for upcoming regulatory changes. Sean and Chris also discussed the need for a system to monitor upcoming regulations and the possibility of forming new working groups to address these changes.

Action Items

• Add proposed columns to the GSF dataset to align with new EU reporting requirements.
• Create an issue in the consistency review to discuss adding the new EU reporting metrics.
• Schedule a follow-up meeting to review the presentation of regulations.
• Provide regulations presentation to working group members.