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Forbidden repetitions of identical labels and exceptions #3

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johentsch opened this issue Jul 3, 2020 · 4 comments · Fixed by #40
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Forbidden repetitions of identical labels and exceptions #3

johentsch opened this issue Jul 3, 2020 · 4 comments · Fixed by #40
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segmentations Different levels of segmentations in the standard (organ points, phrases etc.)

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@johentsch
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At the moment, annotators are allowed to repeat a label to mark a phraseending, e.g. I (beginning of harmony) I\ (end of phrase). Instead, we could allow for \ to stand as a separate symbol, which is something that annotators sometimes do intuitively and has to be corrected so far. The change can be easily made by updating the regex with a ( )? . Would you agree on that, @fabianmoss ? This change would avoid to have the exception from forbidden repetition of identical labels.

**However, ** there would still be a similar exception for organ points. We could at the same time consider to allow for organ point notation to occur independently of the onsets of harmonies. This would be quite a big change, however:

  • It would even out the discrepancy between the time points designated by \\ and ]
    • The phraseend marks this time point directly, but the end of the organ point occurs only when the harmony designated with ] ends.
    • Allowing for ] to stand alone would make it possible to have it designate the ending of the pedal note directly instead.
    • When parsing this label, a row would be created without new chord features, showing that the previous harmony is still on. The countermodel would be that the same harmony is repeated, resulting in a new harmonic segment. This is actually a strong argument for allowing for the exception, considering that a harmony over a pedal is different from the same harmony without the pedal.
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Maybe one guiding principle to keep in mind for the discussion could be: Since every label represents a segmentation of the score, it should represent a change in harmony. The alternative would mean to allow for different levels of segmentation, e.g. allowing for singular \\ alone would designate the end of a phrase segment but not of a harmonic segment. But this is happening at present, in any case, with the difference that the same label is repeated, e.g. I I\\.

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I am not quite sure if I follow your considerations. What are circumstances where you would annotate a \\ or ] without a "supporting" harmony?

I don't see a problem with repeating harmonies at phrase boundaries but wouldn't it be rather I\\ I instead of I I\\? Meaning: First I conclude a phrase and then I continue with the same harmony? I can't imagine a situation in which the latter makes sense but I might just not think of the right thing.

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No, in I\\ I the second I is superfluous because under the current semantics (labels valid until the next label) it does not add new information. I I\\, however, says "here, the harmony starts, and here is where the phrase ends".
This is a very extreme case where both occur very close to each other:
corelli op01n07a
(Corelli op. 1/7 I mm. 1-4)

Suggestions to discuss:

  • Permit \\ to stand alone
  • Permit repetition of identical labels in order to perform a lower level segmentation.

@johentsch johentsch added the segmentations Different levels of segmentations in the standard (organ points, phrases etc.) label Jul 14, 2020
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johentsch commented Jul 21, 2020

The new version will allow for repetition of identical labels under special circumstances and for having phrase annotations occur separately.

The solution we discussed was in favor of a possibility to annotate phrase interlocking. The natural solution seems to be to annotate both phrase endings and beginnings in a way, that both symbols can be combined in one. The first suggestion was to use \ for endings, / for beginnings and \/ as combination. However, since the expressions continue to end labels, / would make it impossible to detect mistakes where an applied chord is missing it's secondary key, as in V/ instead of V/V.

Solution: We suggest a solution with { for beginnings, } for endings, and }{ for the combination. In order to distinguish phrase interlocking from "normal" phrase transitions we ask annotators to put } on the beat where the phrase ends structurally (e.g. the 1 of a cadence's ultima). This way, the phrase length is still calculated until the next phrase's beginning, but we will know how much of the phrase is just a 'codetta'. As an example, here is the previous one with the suggested new notation:

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