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Decision Proposal 173 - Energy Draft Feedback Cycle 2 #173
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Please see below the feedback from EnergyAustralia. We would like further clarifications for a few of the questions that we had raised previously. Accounts:
Please further clarify the below: NMI standing data
Please further clarify the below: For this consultation, we have the following new questions: Billing: Get Billing for account Do we agree that Billing data is default for 12 months, while Invoice data is default for 24 months? This timeframe should be consistent and aligned with what the ACCC decides. Get Generic Plans and Get Generic Plan detail |
In relation to this comment:
Subscription type plans are currently supported in EME. These are currently distinguished by a value of QUOTA for electricityContract:pricingModel. In EME, most existing data fields are applicable to this pricing model, though it does change the interpretation of unitPrice/volume for the plan rates. For example, the volume will be reflective of the included usage allowance for the corresponding fixed unitPrice i.e. $X for up to y kWh per period, $Y for next z kWh per period and so on. This treatment is based on how these products typically operate today, for those retailers that offer them (or have done so in the past). Should additional flexibility be required in EME, we would need to discuss any specific retailer requirements. EME does not currently support bundled products in the way that you describe, though there are a few ways in which it is possible for retailers to define value-added plan/contract inclusions, that may comprise other recurring plan/contract costs in addition to the energy tariff and supply charge. |
Thank you for providing us the opportunity to provide feedback on the energy standards. We would also like to thank DSB for the acknowledgement and response to most of the queries raised by Origin in the previous submission of DP-149. Generic tariff data Regarding most of Origin’s concerns/feedback raised around the generic tariff data, DSB was going to consult with EME. Origin would appreciate any inputs/clarifications/updates on the requested items from previous submission – DP-149. One of the feedbacks provided by Origin previously was –
Origin would appreciate any feedback from EME whether C&I products will be excluded from the generic tariff data. It is not currently a requirement and we do not expect this to change. We believe that it would be difficult to include C&I tariffs and conditions given the bespoke nature of pricing and contract arrangements. For example, how would spot price data be captured as it is a dynamic pricing arrangement? The negotiable data (which covers the majority of a customer's contract) cannot be excluded as it really is the differentiating factor and looking at tariffs from a comparison point of view would make sense if the negotiable data were included. Another consideration is spot price tariffs that could change dynamically. Also, the API should be robust enough to handle new tariff structures being brought in by the regulatory changes (including 5MS). Get Generic Plan Detail As requested in previous submission DP-149, Origin still requests more clarification on the "pricingModel": around the different pricing models within the pricingModel attribute, specifically around FLEXIBLE and QUOTA pricing models DP-149 feedback –
Origin’s feedback – Eligibility and restricted plans are 2 different things. We have eligibility criteria under general available plans like a plan available for concession customers in NSW. These are visible to all but not everyone can sign up to that. However, there are specific plans (i.e. certain offers only available to hardship customers or employee offers or retention) which we provide to EME and VCE as “Restricted” plans which are not visible to anyone except Origin. We seek feedback on the treatment of restricted plans. We support consistency with energy regulatory requirements – that is, only “generally available” plans are disclosed to the market.
Just wanted to confirm – Yes, we have BSB and Account number tokenised in our system for retail customers. So, keeping it optional will be Origin’s preference. Get Service Points and Get Service Point Detail – Origin had provided few comments in DP-149 for these 2 API’s which were not addressed in DSB’s response. Get Account Detail
Origin wants to highlight that it is difficult to provide any recommendations here on how to solve this specifically for a C&I customer as this is complicated data to provide in an API (due to the unbundled nature) and will require the structure of the API to change significantly to bring in the underlying data used for various demand calculation methodologies. This may also not serve any purpose to mass market customers. We also need to rely on other parties such as Distributors to provide certain information (for instance with ratcheting demand).
Based on DSB’s suggestion, we wanted to confirm that we will be providing the standard connection fee in that case (which is usually the higher value, in case of variable charges).
Origin would suggest adding a 3rd value – “Guaranteed Discount”. This is something available with the plan details currently being provided to EME and VCE as well. Other scenarios mentioned earlier like dual fuel, e-bill etc will also be covered as “Guaranteed Discount’ if the eligibility is met.
Origin wanted to highlight the concern here that customer contracts for C&I have an unbundled format which is different to the defined (bundled) structure for mass market customers. Combining environmental, regulatory and other charges with metering charges will be complicated as metering charges themselves have multiple components (supply charge, DMA / SLA charge etc.) We also offer Flexible prices where the rates could change continually. This data will be complicated to provide.
Origin wants to raise the concern again that it is difficult to recommend anything on how to incorporate this specifically for a C&I customer as the API structure does not support multiple fee types that could change variably based on other factors / attributes Get Balance For Account Account balances for C&I customers and collective accounts could sit at the parent level or child level. Contracted level account vs. site level account. How do we deal with complex hierarchies and also providing the true account balance to the customer? How will this API structure support the parent-child relationship in accounts and balances? Origin wants to raise the concern again that it is difficult to recommend anything on how to incorporate this specifically for a C&I customer. One of the options could be to always provide the site level balance (which may not reflect the true balance) An additional thing to consider is that multiple people could be responsible for managing a single large customer's account with varying levels of access i.e., one could be responsible for usage enquiries, another for billing enquiries etc.
Origin wants to highlight that the C&I invoice breaks down the usage component for different charges and they may be calculated as either $/day, c/kWh, $kVA etc. Is the recommendation to aggregate these C&I charges and display as total usage charge? Different invoices could have different line items based on the customer's agreement which could be specific based on their location / contracted load / priorities, therefore usage is not looked at in isolation for C&I invoices.
Origin wanted to highlight C&I invoices where - we could be rebilled for a partial period of an existing bill and the replacement bill may not have the correct dates as the original bill. So, in this instance, if we were to provide a bill for a given period, it would cover two bills (one partially correct and the other fully correct).
Invoices for large customers include a list of un-bundled charges calculated using a combination of For more details on what a C&I bill looks like for Elec and Gas (including consolidated) please refer this link that's available on the Origin website https://www.originenergy.com.au/business/commercial-and-industrial/market-events-charges/understanding-your-bill.html |
On behalf of AGL Energy CDR technical working group Previously we have asked for clarification on the following and didn't receive feedback: Decision Proposal 115 - Tailored Tariff Data Payloads electricityContract > pricingModel
electricityContract > isFixed
electricityContract > fee > amount
electricityContract > fee > term
electricityContract > fee > type
Decision Proposal 111 - Generic Tariff Data Payloads
Decision Proposal 116 - Billing Data Payloads Invoice Common Type
Previously we have asked for the following changes in standards and we don't see these being modified in draft: Decision Proposal 115 - Tailored Tariff Data Payloads electricityContract > discount > category
electricityContract > fee > amount
Decision Proposal 116 - Billing Data Payloads Billing Transaction Common Type
Thanks for the feedback provided to our comments on Decision Proposal 114 - Account Payloads and incorporating our suggestions regarding concession data. |
Energy 2 In response to EnergyAustralia:
Apologies, I think I was looking at the wrong schema object when I responded in the last cycle. This is valid feedback. As EME has indicated there is a willingness to extend the schema but the DSB can't arbitrarily factor in these changes. We will take this one on notice for further discussion.
These can be added to the schema. I will contact AEMO to understand the field types.
The extent of data is usually limited by legislation and rules. For the first sector time extent for financial transactions was required back to 1st January 2017. I would expect that limiting these data sets to 12 months and 24 months would be unlikely to align to the intent of the regime and longer periods should be assumed.
It is noted that EME has helpfully responded on this topic. |
In response to queries from Origin: First off, there was a significant number of feedback items relating to C&I customers. Rather than respond to these individually it would appear that the APIs are not sufficient for larger customers and a dedicated consultation on this topic is warranted. This will be scheduled and will be based on the feedback provided to date. Other responses are below…
This is still in progress so the items that have not yet been responded should not be interpreted as ignored.
The inclusion of tariff data for C&I customers is not driven by EME or the DSB. It is driven by the designation instrument and clarified by the rules. Currently a plain reading of the designation instrument would indicate these plans should be included and that is the assumption the DSB is working towards. It is noted that representing highly tailored plans will be difficult in a structured data payload. The equivalent challenge was dealt with in the first sector by the inclusion of flags indicating that a high degree of negotiation is expected.
Feedback on how this could be achieved in the next cycle would be welcome.
We will add this to the list of tariff issues to resolve.
The schema will be updated to allow for the communication of tokenised instruments.
Apologies for this omission please let us know which questions were missed.
GUARANTEED_DISCOUNT will be added as an option.
Alternatively, the AER could develop this standard in parallel to these endpoints so that both standards are aligned. This would be preferred as the CDR will be a distribution channel for bills under the current designation.
In the invoice endpoints, yes. In the transaction endpoints these may be separate, individual records.
In general, the invoice payload is aggregated deliberately to avoid the sharing of too much detail (ie. it allows for a less granular view of a customer’s activity) with the transaction endpoints allowing for more detail if needed. For C&I customers the more granular endpoints would still be available.
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In response to queries from AGL:
This is very important and fundamental feedback and goes back to questions asked in earlier consultations. Previously it was communicated that a single plan per account would suffice but this feedback would indicate otherwise. Before making this change it would be appropriate to get some additional clarification from other Retailers. A separate consultation on this topic will be initiated.
This will be added to the list of issues to be dealt with in the Tariff structure.
This was responded to in the previous consultation in response to a question from Origin. The specific response to that question was
These will be added to the structure
If a set of enum values can be suggested they can be included. Being too specific is not recommended, however, as it means the schema is too volatile. For instance a preferred value might be ADDITIONAL_SERVICE with a free form text field used to indicate that the service is Google Home to Amazon Alexa.
It is understood that RESTRICTED doesn’t necessarily mean that the plan is not available to the public, only that it is restricted in eligibility. Feedback from other retailers has indicated this. The intent of CDR is that the generic tariff endpoints only expose plans that can actually be originated. Plans that cannot be originated would therefore need to be filtered from the public responses.
The understanding should be according to the current usage of information provided to EME.
More restricted types are preferred. Is there a sufficient enum value list that will suffice?
Free form text fields should be plain text.
It is difficult to provide arbitrary clarification. Could you articulate some scenarios where clarification is required and these can be worked through.
That is not the intention. There are once off aggregate fields at both the fuel type layer (ie. for energy and gas) and at the account level. The account level fields should include charges that are not fuel related and the ones at the fuel level should include charges that are fuel related.
This feedback isn’t clear. I’m not sure what the underlying issue is.
Yes.
This change was not made as the structure of tariffs is tied to the EME data structure. Adding fields to the tariff schema without commitment to change implementation by EME is not useful. This was previously stated in feedback.
Interpretation of this field should be according to the existing interpretation when Retailers are providing tariff data to EME.
This change was not made as the structure of tariffs is tied to the EME data structure. Adding fields to the tariff schema without commitment to change implementation by EME is not useful. This was previously stated in feedback. |
There is a lot of specific comments provided in the responses above but much of it is aligned with some common themes. Due to this it would appear appropriate to give some general feedback on some overarching themes.
The following specific changes will be made to the standards
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After discussion with AEMO some more work on the design of the nextScheduledReadDate, lastReadDate and lastReadQuality fields is required so they will not be included in the 1.9.0 release. We will seek to include these changes in the 1.10.0 release. |
This consultation thread has been raised to allow for holistic feedback to be provided on the draft energy standards as a whole. It is a continuation of the previous holistic consultation.
The draft energy standards (which are draft only and non-binding) can be found on the standards site at:
https://consumerdatastandardsaustralia.github.io/standards/draft/energy-draft.html
Feedback is now open on any issue related to draft. This thread will remain open until April 15th 2021. At that time proposed changes will be incorporated and a second consultation cycle will commence.
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