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Port the old apsim SoilTemp2 model #4080
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Comment from @yashvirchauhan: I have been using Soiltemp in APSIM classic for quite a while. Tthe major difference in soil temperature simulated by Soiltemp and that simulated by soilN module is when soil is covered by the crop canopy. Soil N based simulated temperature is much higher (>2-5oC) indicating it is not able correctly simulate soil temp when radiation reaching soil is reduced - if I correctly remember. Soil temperature is used in predicting aflatoxin risk in peanuts and the values predicted by soil temp were more realistic. |
@sarchontoulis to provide Validation data |
@hol353 I have some data that I would be keen to have used in the soil validation and I think will be very usefull.
These two sets should provide a wide range of soil temperature profiles and fluxes
I am happy to pull datasets and simulations together if you want to include them |
Yep that would be great. The more validation data we have the better. |
Sounds good to me. The WWEPP validation is looking pretty good at the moment. |
@sno036 - Are you actively working on this? I may have a bit of time in the next few weeks to have a go with it, if it's a priority. |
No one at AgResearch is working on SoilTemp at the moment. Yes, it is a priority. It seems to be working - just needs some tests and validation data. |
OK. I was thinking along the lines of also refactoring the code so it fits a bit better with ApsimX conventions. It currently reflects a bit of its Fortran->VB->C# history in the variable naming and handling of arrays. Or should that be retained a while longer for comparison purposes? |
I think the only reason we haven't refactored it already is that we wanted to wait for tests, to be certain that we didn't accidentally change its behaviour while making the cosmetic changes. |
I think we refactor SoilTemp2. We are going to validate it anyway. Go for it! |
@hol353 - A quick questions about the model: One of the "outputs" is named Thr_profile, but I'm a bit unclear what it is, and would like to provide a better name. It appears to be the soil temperature profile at 5:00 A.M., but I can find no documentation or comments to verify that. Another "output" property provides daily minimum temperatures through the profile, so is this thing needed (or used)? |
I've got no idea. @sno036 ? |
@hol353 @sno036 - A couple of the grower groups in the Monaro and NSW Southern Highlands have established a network of soil moisture probes (see https://www.soilmoistureprobes.com.au/ for a list of locations. I have access to the full set of data, which the groups regard as public, as funding for the probes came from federal grants. The data include soil temperature records for many of the sites. Should I look into using these data for validation of soil water and temperature models? Note that these are pasture sites, not cropping sites. Probe depths are normally 10, 20, 40, 60, 80, 100 cm. |
The SoilTemperature model in the Prototypes folder currently doesn't work as expected because the Report model is configured with reporting variables like:
The "@" character, however, is not parsed as part of the output alias. Would there be any objections if I allowed the"@" character to appear in alias names? Is this particular case, it seems to be a useful notation. |
No objection - go for it. |
Thanks for this and for the refactoring. I don't think I'll be back to the doco and validation for a while. The first (and perhaps primary) validation I was intending was a comparison against the analytical solution. @zur003 - if you pull from my SoilTemperature branch you will see "soil temp.docx" which contains the original documentation. See also the analytical solution from @rcichota in this zip file. I started working on this using an old publication of his and ran into difficulties. Rogerio's reply was as below but I've not been able to get back to this since then (end of March):
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@sno036 - I'm not sure where to find your "SoilTemperature" Branch. Is that that SoilTemperatureValidation branch of this repository? If so, I don't see a "soil temp.docx" file, although I do see an encrypted file "ObservedFACTS.7z" which might contain it. |
@zur003 - the branch is at https://github.com/sno036/ApsimX/tree/SoilTemperature/Prototypes/SoilTemperature Here is the document - if GitHob lets be add it! Here is the zip file (which I had not added to the branch I see) |
Hi Val,
That all makes sense, but I do have a question for you. What is the relationship of SoilTemp and SoilTemp2 in ASPIMClassic? At first glance, SoilTemp2 appears to be a VB port of SoilTemp’s Fortran, but the two models give rather different results. Is this by design?
Cheers,
Eric Zurcher
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HI Eric, |
Thanks, Val. That too makes sense. I just wanted to be sure I understood how we got to the current point.
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Subject: Re: [APSIMInitiative/ApsimX] Port the old apsim SoilTemp2 model (#4080)
Hi Val,
That all makes sense, but I do have a question for you. What is the relationship of SoilTemp and
SoilTemp2 in ASPIMClassic? At first glance, SoilTemp2 appears to be a VB port of SoilTemp’s
Fortran, but the two models give rather different results. Is this by design?
Cheers,
Eric Zurcher
HI Eric,
The impetus for porting from the Fortran was that we wanted to add more detail to the boundary conditions (a atmospheric stability correction). John Hargreaves came to NZ for a stint and did the port. He first did a straight translation and the VB and Fortran versions have the same results. Then the stability corrections were added and they did change the results.. Hope this helps.
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@sarahcleary - to add as the top comment. SoilTemp2 is a numerical solution of soil temperature changes. It is a port of the original model in Classic and is based on the solution in Campbell's "Soil Physics with Basic". There have been various reports that this model performed better than the older CERES soil temperature model. The proposal is that once SoilTemp2 is ported, the CERES model would be removed. |
I have created an 'Experiment' in SoilTemperature.apsimx that is the beginning of a test of the model against the analytical solution in the spreadsheet (which I've committed) as specified by @sno036 above.
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@peter-devoil - this models needs SWIM first. Getting closer on that - Sep/Oct probably and then can think about this. |
Note #7417 about initialisation needs |
@sno036 @hol353 @HamishBrownPFR When reviewing the soil temperature model, I suggested that we could extract soil texture information from the currently available digital soil mapping products, rather than using a default texture for all simulations. Attached is an R script I have developed to extract soil sand, silt, and clay content within Australia from the latest Soil and Landscape Grid of Australia DSM product, and from ISRIC SoilGrids for other parts of the world. The script reports these values in the native mapped depth intervals of the GlobalSoilMap project (0-5, 5-15, 15-30, 30-60, 60-100, and 100-200 cm). Although it may be too labour intensive to incorporate this into APSIM Next Gen at the moment, I believe this code could be useful for obtaining a more realistic initialisation of soil texture, and consequently, the soil temperature model. I am sharing it here for anyone who might find it helpful, though not sure how widely this can reach. I'm also wondering if you will see value e.g., to link this in the documentation for the time being so that if users would like to use the code to initialise their soil texture they can easily find it. https://github.com/Chloe0317/dsm/blob/main/SoilTextureExtraction.R |
Thanks for this @Chloe0317. Yes, there is merit in your suggestion. There are quite a few data sources that could be used to in-fill a lot of soil parameters, not just particle size information. Can you create a separate GitHub Issue for this because your suggestion probably shouldn't hold up the release of the Soil Temperature model and we don't want to lose your idea? |
Thanks @hol353, I'll open a new issue as I agree that this should not affect the release of the soil temperature model and rather, serve as a complementary tool and can be applied more widely for other parameters. |
Interesting and useful, but there may be a need to ground truth this information. Knowing soil texture is not much difficult and should be done if reliability of soil temperature being predicted is important. Else, this may be another source of error. Estimating soil texture by hand | Agriculture and Food<https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/soil-constraints/soil-texture-estimating-hand#:~:text=Add%20enough%20water%20to%20make,the%20soil%20is%20very%20sandy.>
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Hi Yash, I have started a new issue as per Dean's suggestion as there are potentially more applications for it. I agree using mapped soil parameters can be another source of error, though they will probably still provide more value when certain attributes are un-measured and present a quantitative way of model initialisation. The mapped products have respective uncertainty assessments such as prediction confidence intervals that can be accessed and for SoilGrids the actual soil profile datasets used to produce the maps can also be accessed from the ISRIC portal. One can thus account for such uncertainty and their propagation in the modelling process through statistical means. Other mapped soil parameters available include e.g., DUL and CLL, newly mapped in 2021. I think their prediction accuracies were quite reasonable and will be useful for regional/national scale modelling. |
SoilTemp2 is a numerical solution of soil temperature changes. It is a port of the original model in Classic and is based on the solution in Campbell's "Soil Physics with Basic". There have been various reports that this model performed better than the older CERES soil temperature model. The proposal is that once SoilTemp2 is ported, the CERES model would be removed.
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